For those religious followers of the Casey Anthony trial, I thought you might enjoy some alternative view points from respected attorneys around the blogosphere, who have not been commenting on the case on a daily basis, about the Casey Anthony trial.
Mark Bennett: A Lesson From the Casey Anthony Trial
Brian Tannebaum: No One Would Like My Commentary On The Casey Anthony Case
Within this post I’ve included the details of 2 HIGH PROFILE murder convictions.
Keep in mind that both of these cases resulted in convictions without ANY evidence tying the defendants to the murders other than the “bad character” of the defendants. Yet both of these convictions were affirmed on appeal.
Thus I find it hard to believe why so many people here (including Mr. Hornsby) honestly believe that Casey Anthony’s prosecutors have not delivered the goods for a murder conviction, or that they have delivered only a borderline case.
As I said before, I truly believe that the psychology of the human mind forces people to demand a higher burden of evidence when the defendant is a meek-looking female as opposed to a cheating husband. 🙂
Steven Sherer was convicted of 1st degree murder without a body ever being found and without ANY physical evidence that a murder was even committed (his wife simply disappeared one day without a trace). He was actually convicted 10 years after the murder took place when several witnesses came forward and “remembered” things which made Steven Sherer look like a bad husband who may have abused his wife. (BTW: From prison he attempted to pay somebody to kill his mother-in-law, but that crime wasn’t committed until after he was already in prison for 1st degree murder…thus it’s not related to his 1st degree murder conviction)
David Temple was convicted of 1st degree murder (of his wife) even though no physical evidence was presented in his trial (gun shot residue from a piece of clothing which he was not wearing was ruled inadmissible due to contamination, thus no physical evidence was presented against him). The only evidence offered against him was the fact that the police believed the crime scene (his home) looked like a “staged burglary”….which would tend to indicate that one of the occupants must have committed the murder. Oh, and he was also having a sexual affair with another woman at the time, LOL. That was the evidence used to put this man in prison for the rest of his life. Yet nobody here (including Mr. Richard Hornsby) seems too shocked or disturbed by this conviction. Why? It’s because David Temple is not a sympathetic female defendant. LOL.
By the way, I truly believe that both David Temple and Steven Sherer are guilty of murder and belong in prison. However, this doesn’t change the fact that the evidence presented against them was rather flimsy and FAR below what Casey’s prosecutors have presented.
Obviously nobody knows how this jury will vote since juries have done unpredictable things before.
However, based on the totality of evidence it will be virtually impossible for Casey to be acquitted of murder by all 12 jury members (since these jury members must be able to go home and explain to their family, friends and co-workers WHY they believed the accidental death story told by a pathological liar who had so much evidence presented against her for murder).
This task of explaining an acquittal to family and friends is made MUCH more difficult because the party photos show that she was smiling from EAR TO EAR immediately after her baby’s death, and they’d have to explain to their families and friends how such happiness and bliss could be the result of anything except a planned and premeditated event.
If they acquit Casey of murder then each juror would be the laughing-stock (or the angry object of ridicule) of their Florida community, since they’d be viewed as “dupes” who bought into the final lie of a pathological liar who’s now having the LAST laugh after she’s acquitted. 🙂
The fact that Caylee was an innocent baby only adds to the jury’s need to be able to JUSTIFY an acquittal to their friends and family and co-workers (nobody wants to look like a fool who was duped by Casey’s fake tears and wound up setting a CHILD murderer free in favor of a lesser conviction). Defense attorneys understand this basic psychological fact of human nature.
I do believe that 1 or 2 lone “kooks” could hang the jury for 1st degree murder and that the rest of the members may agree to convict her of 2nd degree murder as a potential trade-off, since legal analysts have said that the jury can knock a 1st degree charge down to 2nd degree even if it’s not specifically part of the charges.
So I do believe that 2nd degree murder is a real possibility here, something all 12 people could live with (without looking like fools afterward).
Anyhow…..if they do the “unthinkable” and acquit Casey of murder altogether (in favor of manslaughter) I’d be shocked beyond belief since I just don’t think that all 12 people can willingly agree to set themselves up to be the laughing-stock of their communities for years to come. LOL.
Interesting and reasonable perspective, Mr Barker. Hoping that you are correct and this travesty ends in a way that is respectful to our system of justice.
What about the juror who said “I dont want to judge people” This woman should not have been allowed to be on anyone’s jury. I just don’t get it?? Where were the tears when baby Caylee was gone for the 31 days? This is why common sense tells us that these are not real tears. Oh and the wiping of the eyes and nose only happens when the jury is in the room.
I’m seeing a theme here. Is this your way of relating that you no longer wish to comment or share any opinion?
The theme is that I have my own clients that limit the amount of free time I can spend dissecting other attorney’s cases. Plus I have said most everything I think ten different ways by now.
How predictable that Linda Baden wound up with a job on In Session. Jose sees himself as having an office right down the hall, is my guess. This case has always been since his very first press conference on the Anthony lawn…all about him. Shame on Cheney for just sitting there leaning back in at the defense table and letting it continue to be when he sees Jose floundering so, at his client’s expense. Shame on the pair of them! It is disturbing.
Perhaps this is nothing more than Mr. Hornsby sharing the opinions of his peers. Why must everything be a conspiracy?? I would certainly hope FOX News could fill your aptitude for utter nonsense. If Mr. Hornsby’s writings do not fit in with your total disregard of an American’s life, or their right to a fair trial, or chooses not to answer your pitiful questions, try and remember some people actually have a life……. and hopefully a modicum of a brain.
Quite frankly, I am impressed he has taken this much time from his life to share his insight, knowlege, and insight he has obtained from others during this circus of a so called trial.
That’s just my opinion, he (Mr Hornsby) no doubt can speak for himself… but sometimes my fingers just get to typing and I can’t make them stop. I will go tape my fingers now.
Huh?
Conspiracy theories, Fox news?
If you were responding to me, you have sardonic humor comprehension deficit disorder. In others words, I was joking.
Thanks for including these alternate viewpoints! I’m very fond of Mark Bennett’s! I sure wish that the SA’s read blogs as frequently as Cheney Mason does. How excellent would it be for them to play that video of Baez with Casey claiming that Caylee was still alive! Only to change up a year later to pin the whole murder on Kronk and then shape shift 12 months later to George! If only the jury could hear these facts.
I meant to add that I do think that we have another Rakofsky, as Mark Bennett proposes and he is front & center in Courtroom 23. (Thanks Richard for introducing us to that atty’s egregious conduct) Sadly, the judge in that case was the pinnacle of ethics and took the 100% brave and righteous action and Judge Perry, who I have been mostly impressed with has failed in a big way by allowing Baez to represent her in a death penalty case, in my opinion.
Thanks for the links. Bennett’s post was new to me and I found it an interesting read.
Thank you, Mr Hornsby, for following this case as much as you have. Always enjoy your astute viewpoint. In regard to NancyB’s post, yes it is very sad that Judge Perry had to deal with this circus. But I am wondering if his hands were not tied regarding Jose Baez, since Mr Baez was in good standing with the Bar Association, and while perhaps inexperienced, not incompetent. Also, Casey Anthony has never indicated any unhappiness with him or his representing her. Quite the contrary, as she appears to be happily and voluntarily actively involved in her own defense. Would love to hear your views on this, Mr Hornsby, and thank you again for putting your opinions out there.
..If you were responding to me, you have sardonic humor comprehension deficit disorder. In others words, I was joking…
LOL….!! 🙂
p.s. …can I steal that? 🙂
Steal away.
It’s so strange that I attempted a joke about Richard not commenting and this person went on an abusive ad hominem rant, ostensibly as a substitute for a cogent argument. But what was s/he arguing anyway? S/he was obviously here to read Mr. Hornsby’s posts, as well, so we were *literally* on the same page. Maybe she wasn’t responding to me, but I was the only one with a question mark after my sentence. I don’t know where the conspiracies, disagreements with Mr. Hornsby, and (especially) Fox News ideas/ comments came from, (left field, it seems). I have only occasionally disagreed. Additionally, I’m not even a death penalty advocate, so that dig about “total disregard of an American’s life” threw me. In the end, the person who resorts to name calling, false accusations and/or disparaging remarks about someone else’s intellect and values without being familiar with them, offers a fallacious argument and not only looks quite angry, but desperate and ill informed as well. (not to mention devoid of a sense of humor). This is my last post here. The discourse has taken a down turn, that which I prefer to avoid, and Mr. Hornsby is tired of commenting anyway. I don’t blame him.
Hi Richard,
I found both articles very interesting and wanted to thank you for posting them for us. I also respect the philosophy that if you have nothing to add with regard to your views on the case – than don’t. I tire of the same ole rhetoric rehashed with words like Explosive Bombshell, when there is nothing new in what some talking heads continue to bobble about. When I read your articles, I don’t always agree, but I always respect your opinion.
Richard,
Thanks for the blog entry. Interesting reading. I know you are a busy guy and have said “the same thing 10 different ways”, but I still much more enjoy your opinion over others who are blogging on this case. I’m terrible with putting things into words, but what I’m trying to say is…you just have a way about you that draws people in. Whether people agree with you or disagree…I would venture to say that the majority of people out here respect you and your opinion. I love your blog posts because I always learn something from them. Your blog posts aren’t just opinion pieces, I always come away from them with more knowledge – and the desire to know more about the law. If I were younger and had not already established a career…I swear I think you could have influenced me to study and go into the field of law!
Richard, I have read several articles regarding sidebar transcripts. Is there anywhere to read these transcripts?
Thanks so much for your time!
Sheri
Do you think Baez will be allowed to tell the jury about George’s suicide attempt the day after Caylee’s remains were found? It seems it would be an obvious tool to show he was experiencing an attack of guilty conscience. Would that be allowed in as evidence?
Forgive me if this has been discussed before – my first time on this site. If the prosecution showed Zenaida Gonzalez to be and innocent bystander, then they could show that Ms. Anthony attempted to place the blame on an innocent person. This may be too small to add to the list of Casey’s character faults.
I’d like to make a final post, since I’ve already covered everything there is to say. BTW: I’m posting from Newport Coast (Cali), so it’s only 11pm here right now — not 2am. 🙂
Firstly, for those people who HONESTLY believe that Casey will walk free at the end of this trial…..it ain’t gonna happen. I’m sorry to be such a ‘killjoy’ to the Casey fans, but you’re literally conning yourselves into believing a fairy tale and you’re not using your sense of logic very well. She’s not walking free, that’s an impossibility. 🙂
For those people who think that Casey will be convicted of all lesser charges only (Aggravated Manslaughter, Aggravated Child Abuse, Lying to Police) AND who ALSO believe that Judge Perry will sentence Casey to less than 30 years for those charges…….you’re DREAMING since it ain’t gonna happen. 🙂
I hate to be such a ‘killjoy’ but IF Casey is convicted of all lesser charges only (acquitted of murder) then she’ll be sentenced to a minimum of 30 years by Judge Perry; since technically he could sentence her to 60 years if he chooses to run the sentences consecutively (Aggravated Manslaughter of a Child has a 30 year penalty, Aggravated Child Abuse has a 30 year penalty too). Casey has no previous “violent” felonies on her record but the nature of this crime is so heinous that a downward departure is not justified and Judge Perry is known for being rather tough when sentencing for heinous crimes (e.g. he’s not soft on sentencing and he won’t give Casey a downward departure).
Heck, just listen to Judge Perry’s rulings regarding the admissibility of character evidence and you’ll get an idea of just how strongly he views the state’s case and the validity of their evidence. I can promise you that he sees the evidence against Casey in the SAME LIGHT as the prosecutors have argued and will give her a severe sentence (30-60 years) if she’s convicted of lesser charges DUE TO THE HEINOUS nature of her crime and her lack of a conscience.
So even if Casey is acquitted of murder she’ll be spending the next 30-60 years in prison and there’s nothing that any of you can do to change this rather obvious fact. 🙂
(hey, no need to get mad at me since we’re all friends here — right?) LOL.
BTW: For the many “Casey fans” who keep saying that the prosecution only proved that Casey’s a liar (but not a murderer) please remember that most of Casey’s lies were focused on OBSTRUCTING law enforcement from FINDING CAYLEE’s body and finding out that she was dead. This simple fact, all by itself, is enough for the jury to conclude that she killed her daughter since only a murderer would have motive to obstruct police from finding out that a victim was dead (accident victims don’t need to be hidden from law enforcement — DUH!) 🙂
Again, to believe that anybody except a murderer would have MOTIVE to obstruct law enforcement from finding out that somebody was dead REQUIRES “suspending disbelief” (something children often do, but not logical adults). LOL. 🙂
For those who cling to the belief that her father was a “Co-Conspirator” to dumping the body (LOL), try watching the JAIL HOUSE VIDEOS where George was desperately trying to find his grand daughter and even tried to bring in an FBI Agent to speak with Casey (if he were guilty himself he wouldn’t have brought in the FBI to catch him — DUH!). 🙂
The prosecution also proved that accident victims don’t need to have duct tape placed over their mouth/nose (LOL, as if that obvious fact even needs explaining).
Plus they also showed the decomposing body in Casey’s car and the fact that it was Caylee inside that car (plus the fact that Casey tried to abandon that car and hide it from her parents).
Ummm, abandoning a car which had a decomposing body of your daughter in the trunk is not indicative of an accident; it’s indicative of murder (just common sense, not rocket science). To believe otherwise is not to be using ‘reasonable’ logic. 🙂
Plus they also showed searches for chloroform on her computer and evidence of chloroform in her trunk (oh, it just happens to be the SAME trunk which stored the decomposing body of Caylee). Just a coincidence, huh? 🙂 You Casey fans are just too much comedy! LOL.
The prosecution showed FAR more evidence than any person could ask of them.
I mean, I can’t even IMAGINE what other evidence the prosecution could have presented in a case like this (a case where a gun wasn’t used). What else could they have shown? Well, maybe a video showing Casey killing her child (filmed by Casey herself, LOL) or maybe an eye witness who just happened to be staring over Casey’s shoulder as she was killing her child (not very likely, LOL).
It really is a strong case and to deny this fact requires the “suspension of disbelief” (a state of mind where people travel when watching the latest TRANSFORMERS movie, LOL). 🙂
Anyhow……if you disagree with my post then that’s your constitutional right. 🙂 However, this doesn’t change the fact that my analysis will be validated very soon. I’m sorry to be a killjoy for those who want to rescue the damsel in distress (Casey), but facts are facts and you’re not going to get your wish. 🙂
Casey has “fans”? Where?
I feel you, killjoy(ie. Roger Baker) There are two fields of commenting going here, those who want her burned at the stake and those who want to dissect every shred of evidence to point out the SA’s failure in this or that. I am of the opinion that she was overcharged, but I am not trying this case.
The jury will find her guilty of something despite JB’s efforts to confuse the issue. They are not stupid. I will not get hysterical any time the defense makes some point or other. This is not the OJ trial.
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you for your logical comments. If these people would just use good old-fashoned common sense they would see the obvious. Those who can’t see this live in that land of imagination “The Twilight Zone”
Richard,
I saw the tail end of The Dr. Drew show tonight and Richard Gabriel was a guest on this show. He insisted that he personally was responsible for selecting this jury. I thought that he resigned at the 11th hour. They promoted him as the current jury consultant for the defense team and listed that title under his name on the show when he was talking. Any idea what’s up with this?
He is trying to take credit for the jury? That could hurt.
Am I the only one who changes the channel each time Leonard Padilla is on?
I was really surprised by his comments in regards to Cindy Anthony being a nut and control freak. That’s the first I’d ever heard of her talked about in this way.
nope. I’m right there with ya!
Oops. I’m back one FINAL time before going on my 2 month summer vacation . 🙂
I actually expected the defense experts to create some doubt, but after seeing today’s cross examination of Dr. Huntington it’s now clear that Casey is doomed without any hope.
I can’t believe Baez would bother calling this witness since he literally scored points for the prosecution’s theory of death AND also had his pig experiment proven totally irrelevant upon cross examination.
Let’s look at how Dr. Huntington hurt the defense:
1) Dr. Huntington admitted that Caylee was most likely dumped in the woods 2-3 days after her death (thus agreeing with the state and disagreeing with Baez’s theory about Kronk hiding the body for months before dumping it in the woods). LOL. I mean, that totally undermines the defense in every possible way.
2) Dr. Huntington also admitted that Casey’s trunk still smelled 2 years later (not a very likely scenario from a bag of trash, LOL). …And after claiming that the lingering smell ‘could’ have been caused by trash, he then admitted that the trash had virtually no food items (e.g. thus it wasn’t very likely caused by trash).
As a side note: With so many prosecution witnesses testifying about the decomposition (smell, fluid and air samples) the defense needed to HIT A GRAND SLAM on this topic to raise any doubt, but they totally failed. 🙂
3) Dr. Huntington admitted that his pig studies were not done with the same conditions present in Casey’s trunk. He admitted that the pigs were not wrapped in a blanket or bags while placed in the trunk (as Caylee’s body was) thus totally invalidating his PIG STUDY’s relevance to this case. LOL. 🙂 Unless he wrapped the pigs (like Caylee’s body was wrapped) then his results are literally irrelevant. DUH! 🙂 He’s mixing apples and oranges (more like apples and dirt).
As a side note: I think it’s a bit amusing how many defense attorneys were screaming bloody murder when Dr. Vass’s expertise was allowed in court (a man whose entire career involves studying real decomposing bodies) but yet these same attorneys seem to praise Dr. Huntington’s PIG STUDY (LOL) as an example of “real science” which can be used to decide this case. 🙂 I think defense attorneys have entered the land known as BIZARRO WORLD.
As I said before, a good defense attorney should have CONCEDED that a dead body was in Casey’s trunk since that fact has been established by TOO MANY PEOPLE (Baez should have said that Casey dumped the body after Caylee drowned due to “panicking”, he should NOT have used the “Roy Kronk body snatcher theory” and the “George Anthony Body Dumper” theory).
Attempting to challenge the presence of a dead body in her trunk (with a body snatcher theory) only makes the jury question the rest of Baez’s explanations about other issues (e.g. if Baez can’t be trusted to admit the truth on the trunk issue, why should they believe him about the accident theory either?).
By the way, for those people who claim that the jury doesn’t have to believe a word Baez says in order to acquit Casey (e.g. presumption of innocence, burden of proof is on the state)……I’ll just point out that the state has already PROVED THEIR CASE and MET THEIR BURDEN in open court, thus the jury will now look to Baez to give them a reasonable doubt to overcome the state’s powerful case. In other words, if the jury doesn’t believe Baez’s theory then they can legally convict Casey based on the state’s evidence already presented, if they believe it.
To be honest I don’t really care what the jury decides. If they acquit her then I certainly won’t lose any sleep over it since there are FAR greater injustices in the world committed every day (starving kids dying every day all over the world). The reason I type such LONG posts isn’t because I care about this case really (since I usually only watch the video highlights reported in the news), it’s because I type 100 words per minute.
I’ll be going on a 2 month vacation beginning this weekend, so this will be my FINAL post on this blog (that much I can promise everybody). I won’t be around when the verdict is delivered, thus I won’t be here to EAT CROW if my predictions are wrong, LOL. I trust that any CROW served will be barbecued first, since that’s how I like it. 🙂
Not to be rude, but….your excessive use of “LOL” and the smiley faces completely undermines your credibility and makes you look like a teenage girl. Just sayin’.
amen
excessive use of LOL and smiley faces?
who made you the homeroom monitor?
Lighten up. Kind people smile and laugh.
Your post makes me think that you are a very hateful and judgemental person.
See where personal perceptions get you??
Best to keep your mouth shut when you think them.
LOL 🙂
Actually, insane people smile and laugh whilst typing long rambling messages about dead children.
OMG! lol
OMG 100 “WORDS PER MINUTE” LOL 🙂
Richard, please stop teaching Baez law 101 with your lunchtime commentary 🙂
Durging today’s lunchtime break you mentioned that Jeff Ashton would bring up the fact that Dr. Hutington was schooled by Dr. Haskell
well lo and behold immediately upon returning to court from lunch Baez promplty jumps up and addresses this issue with Judge Perry
are you inadvertantly a consultant for the defense? LOL 🙂
Baez is always accusing people of doing things for money. Well he is doing this case because he loves all the attention. He and Casey make a good narcissistic team. One video shows him outside the court smiling and hugging two females. He had many personal problems and barely passed the bar. Look at how he acts when the prosecutor objects he makes a discusted face and when things go good for the defense he has that smirk on his face. So unprofessional!.
I’m watching Dateline, and I think it just really struck me….the minute the defense team stated that Casey KNEW that Caylee was dead all that time, just killed any chance she had to escape the worst of her charges. Watching her on the jail tapes and knowing that she KNEW her daughter was dead? She’s so beyond disgusting that it’s going to be impossible for the jury to set aside emotion and pay attention only to facts and evidence. Just impossible.
u know….. i was just doing a search for bogs on this trial to see if there was anyone feeling the way i do…..i am sure that casey is guilty of the awful offense of child abuse and needs to do some time for this. however…..i am soooo tired of this prosecution particularly ashton…..he is rude…..unprofessional……he cannot let the defense….. of which we are all entitled to….. get any of the case in with out crying over at perry’s bench…..he makes stupid faces like some kind of a teenager. everyone seems to say how fair perry is well not sure if they have there heads stuck in the sand…..but at this point my opinion is he might as well just take off his robe and go sit next to ashton. the sad fact is that this country is so influenced by the media that it is impossible for ms anthony to get a fair trial.
michellefrommadison, I thought you dried up and blew away long ago when we found out you are really Michael NOT Michelle and are a big fat troll that has been banned on every single blog. With the exception of this one apparently. Pay the troll no mind folks. He is a nut living in his very senior father’s basement with waaay too much time on his hands.
I’m with you Michelle. It’s easy to get sucked into the “Jeff Ashton is Great” story. I believe he is doing a reasonable job but he’s a disaster inter-personally. He’s scruffy, over-bearing, condescending, rude & obnoxious. As a sales-man he’s very poor. He has the demeanor (and the tie collection) of everyone’s least favorite high-school teacher.
Personally, I believe Linda has built a better bond with the Jury. She professional; serious and courteous. She needs to be the closing act on the case.
Yeah, bring it on Jeff you need those characteristics to give a good fight for justice for a baby”s untimely death. The defence knows that they can’t get by you with anything.
I was watching one of Mr. Hornsby’s interviews on youtube.com and he stated that he’s had a lot of cases with Ashton. He said there had been times when they had disagreed and got in arguments so heated that they had to get up and go ask a judge to mediate their disagreement. He also said that Ashton is an extremely good prosecutor and well respected. But I, like you, have found Ashton to be extremely rude and condescending. Did you see his response the “dog burying a bone” possibility? Extremely rude. I hope Linda makes closing arguments.
Remember that Hornsby has to work in front of these guys once this case is finished and forgotten. He has to be nice about the judge and ashton.
Baez is a competitor so no problem trashing him 🙂
Guess what a prosecutor is not supposed to be “Mr. nice guy” If he ere then people would say he’s too soft. I hope he stays the way he is because people are never satisfied. I can see that he is ot the type to worry about what people are saying about him. I like him because remember he is fighting for justice for a precious baby who can’t speak for herself. Don’t forget baby Caylee. She should be still here to sing and dance and be loved by her grandparents. If you needed a prosecutor, whould you want a nice, kind extremely polite one or a tough no-nonsense one to fight for you?
Hope someone can help me out answering this, hoping Richard will but if not anyone that knows the answer is fine
What’s the defense going to do about providing the evidence to support opening statement?
Doesn’t Casey have to testify now or there is no evidence for the jury?
If not, where else will it come from, i mean……how else do they get the evidence in
They don’t necessarily want to ‘get the evidence in’…..they want to get the idea put forth in opening statements backed up in the trial phase….they don’t care how they do it.
So they get George on the stand, they insinuate, degrade, insult, ask questions that Baez KNOWS will be objected to and stricken or disregarded, but asked in front of the jury nonetheless and George gets mad, or flustered, or fidgety, or embarrassed, or casey starts bawling like a baby in front of the jury….any number of high dramatics and then Baez gets what he wants…..a simple niggling doubt in one or two jurors’ minds.
It seems like everyone is missing the point…being to ‘show’ the jury that the tape’s height (and length perhaps) is enough to cover the child’s airways.
That’s all. Nothing more. It’s not meant to ‘prove murder’. It’s not meant to prove ‘who the murderer is’…..etc….
If those assumptions had in any way been insinuated, the honorable judge perry would not have allowed the video.
But it was made very clear that the video was for nothing more than showing the measure of the tape in front of the measure of the face and skull.
I would have done it the old fashioned way….take out the actual skull, put the actual tape up there, pass it around to the jury….let them touch it, smell it, see it….and get ear plugs when Baez started screaming prejudicial! and inflamatory!
Where did the defense attorney get his degree. He must be smoking crack…How can the judge allow all the stupidity from the defense attorney. Fire his ass or throw him out of the court…ass hole!!!!!!!
The reason Casey kept avoiding informing anyone about her daughter’s where about’s cause she had done her research and homework on different subjects on the internet and wanted the body to not be discovered at the least until it was in such a bad shape for anyone to determine the cause of her death…
Otherwise if she had drowned in the pool they could have seen if there was water in her lungs…but the intention on lying and giving folks the run around story about the baby’s nanny was just trying to buy as much time for the body to get into worst mode so she can use the cause as accidental drowning.
You are absolutely right. Casey was buying as much time as she could and it did work because it took so long that there were only skeletal remains. She thinks she’s smarter that everyone. You see how she lies so convincingly. She believes that we are all stupid and she can just lie her way out of anything and we would believe her. I guess she did not think that this plan would backfire and result in all of this. She thought that she was going to get off with murder. She had so much confidence that she even told her brother in the jail house tapes that she believed Caylee was very close. That statement is just like a confession to me.
Tramp is guilty as hell…people cry over their pet when their pet dies due to attachment..which “B” mother would go out to party and enter a contest and get a tattoo…only a tramp who sleeps around and needs her independence who would need her freedom would do such a thing.
Oh My Gosh! Richard you da BOMB! I just saw you on In Sessions and I love you for the comment that you made about Judge Perry. You are the real deal and I have so much respect for you and the truth you spoke!
Richard, is that your hand in the air I see volunteering to represent Baez in his Ethics Violation Hearing, lol?
Mr. Hornsby,
I’m sure I speak for your many followers – we are waiting with baited breath for an updated post. Your opinions on the ‘courtroom antics’ and more. What do you think of the defense’s case thus far.
Looking forward to an update from you!
I thought I would never again comment here. Apologies Richard, but I HAD to mention that although, initially, I did not believe that Casey used chloroform, I am beginning to be convinced of this, ironically, through the defense’s presentation. They have spent so much time basically reinforcing the idea and driving home that very real possibility for me. And although Dr. Vass is not a chemist (per ad nauseam line of questioning), the defense has found a way to prop him up to super-hero-renaissance-science-man status through their own witnesses.
Also, your tweets are quite *hilarious*.
These supposed-good Christians who believe Casey Anthony is guilty of capital murder make me laugh with how obvious their hypocrisy is. They are the same people who have a “Sharpie Mom” writing a number on their hand at midnight; they are the same people who when their daughter is killed by a drunk driver they attend every court day and PRAY that the criminal will get life in prison. Do you think Caylee–in all-loving Heaven amidst the hands of an all-forgiving Jesus–would want her Mommy to go to the electric chair. Do you think the drunk driving accident victim–who was killed by a good man who mad a bad mistake–wants the accused to go spend the next 25 years in cage with vicious criminals? You Casey Anthony-hating, or any “criminal” for that matter, especially tried by the likes of Nancy Grace (the anti-christ), need to look at your own self; you can’t see the forest through the trees when it comes to your own insecurity and/or feelings of being violated by others…you identify with victims and go bananas over high-profile crimes.
I’ve never sat on a jury. I do attempt to keep up with cases like this one. I listen to the trial late at night when I have the time to do it. All I can say is. I have more information than the current Casey Anthony jusry has, obviously and as bad as I would like to slap this woman in the head and do the eye for an eye thing and let her have the same experiences that she imposed upon that little baby… I am living in America… I would probably hang the jury and this is why (again, I’m sure she’s guilty of this crime BUT)…Well, before I begin with all of that, let me say that Jose Baez was way too inexperienced to have taken this case, c’mon, ok? He is a court appointed attorney, correct?
I’m no lawyer, but I would think that whomevever appointed this man to a case this this deep and this serious, well, they should be reprimanded themselves. I wonder if Casey were able to change attorney’s before she went to court if she and her family didn’t think he was able to handle it. But then, one never knows, I suppose, especially a layman, until it’s all playing out in front of you.
Anyway, obviously with regard to the duct tape, the only DNA that was found on that tape, was one of the examiner’s DNA. None of Caylee’s, no DNA of any other person in the Anthony family. YES, I know, I know… “but, but, but”… the water may have washed it away, regardless, there was nothing there to say it was Casey who put it there.
No one has come forward to say that they had seen her at any scene at all. Not administering chloroform, not placing her in any bags in any trunk or even at the scene where poor little Caylee was found. Of course all of this would be dependent upon the Judges’ instructions, but if these considerations were allowed, I wouldn’t be able to conciously participate in a first degree murder conviction. Even though, with all of the evidence that the state has presented, in my heart I know that woman is as guilty as sin.
I do have this one haunting question… When the Pig Dr. was testifying, there was question about chewing tobacco spit in or on a can in the trash. Wouldn’t that tell any of us that someone was possibly with her? Casey’s teeth are awful white, I don’t think she chews tobacco and spits it into soda cans and left them in her car.
Who’s DNA was on that can with tobacco spit? Couldn’t this possibly lead to a person who may have also been involved in placing the body? Why wasn’t the spit in that can tested for DNA to see if possibly there may be someone who may have been an accomplice. I mean, it doesn’t neccessarily mean much of anything, but still, if the person who spit in that can was a criminal and his/her DNA is in the data base, wouldn’t that possibly bring someone directly associated?? Who the hell does that spit can belong to and why wasn’t that investigated? This could be the very person who helped her place the body or even could have been someone who assisted in the murder of that baby girl.
Does anyone know about the spit can and possible DNA testing??
i’m with you.
I have not sat on a Jury. I’m a reasonably intelligent (i think?) person. I can honestly say that I’m impartial in this case. Here’s my view…
1. There has been absolutely no proof of murder. None. Nada. Zip!
2. The ridiculous notion that you would kill a child with Chloroform and Duct Tape has no basis and is just plain illogical. If you want to kill the child then use one of the 100 easy ways! Knife, Punch, Strangle, Drown, Hit, etc, etc, etc.
3. The prosecution is so obnoxious. Their entire demeanor has been; Object Object Object. Not because it’s bad testimony; but becuase they are aggressive bastards.
4. Jeff Ashton’s attitude and obnoxious behavior makes me acquit purely on principle.
My verdict…Child Abuse…guilty. Murder…Not Guilty.
Since my taxes pay Ashton’s salary. I would also fire him immediately.
“He is a court appointed attorney, correct?”
Incorrect. Private attorney selected by the defendant.
Private attorney, being paid now by the state of florida.
Ashton’s job is to get justice for the 2 year old, since she cannot speak for herself. So I’m ok with his tactics. I just want the truth. Somebody KILLED that baby!
Also Jose is in over his head.
Mr. Hornsby,
Could a judge just not instruct a jury in the sentency phase to list what they believe is the aggravating factor that justifies the death penalty?
Regina
All I can say today after Cindy and her searches and the stain there at time of car purchase is OMG. That’s just all I can say. What will George say?
It’s so easy to speak over here from the peanut gallery. But if I were on this jury, after today, I think I would go to be completely depressed.
*bed*
A couple of questions for anyone who knows: Were there any additional searches at, or very near that point in time, of plant related illnesses/poisoning of canines? That would bolster the argument that she did the search. If I was worried about a pet, but got carried away following unrelated links, I’d certainly return to my original quest for information. But why would a nurse do a generic search for chlorophyll to begin with? I think I first learned about chlorophyll in elementary school. It is in nearly every plant, so wouldn’t you want to search specific poisonous or hazardous plants instead? I can’t imagine a person with an advanced degree, in a science related field, making a mistake like this. It’s akin to looking up gelatin, an inactive filler ingredient in pharmaceutical capsules, to determine if the pill is a pain reliever.
If anyone on the jury doesn’t buy into Cindy Anthony coming to the “how to make chloroform” result from a starting point search of “Chlorophyll” or “chlorofil”, etc. or if the state proves she couldn’t have been there to make the searches in their rebuttal, then it will solidify for jurors that Casey used chloroform to kill Caylee. I had originally thought that Casey might have looked up chloroform for a banal non-sinister reason, such as to be hip to her friend’s poster on Facebook or Myspace, (I don’t recall which). However, with the defense’s constant attention to it, I began to feel that it was a very real possibility that Casey used it. If this revelation from Cindy Anthony is proven to be fabricated, it will only add more significance to the state’s chloroform theory. Personally, if the defense had Vass admit that he couldn’t know the chemical composition of ALL car trunks since he wasn’t an expert in that field, and especially the chloroform levels therein, and if they had treated it as a ridiculous notion and moved past it, I wouldn’t have given the chloroform levels a second thought. I would have figured it a weird anomaly, or something that could be common, unbeknownst to us all.
It will be interesting to see what happens. I also wonder if Cindy Anthony opened the door to the felony convictions by mentioning the checks.
I just read Richard’s tweet about the Julian date. So this begs the question, did the state’s witness, who is an “expert” of the computer data extraction program, not understand this and thus he is not knowledgeable, or was he persuaded to go along with the 84 visits to bolster the state’s case? Either way, not good.
After reviewing the related Websleuths.com computer thread (a site I found dedicated to this case and others, where Mr. Hornsby occasionally comments), the consensus appears to be that it is not a reference to the Julian date. Hopefully, someone from the state will clarify the data further.
I am stepping away again unless there is some other stunning testimony.
I am sorry Cindy said she was searching for chloroform to see its effect on her dogs because this is just giving the defense another angle. Now we may hear a whole slew of experts on dogs and plants. Charts showing how a bamboo plant grows. A vet talking about how eating a bamboo plant would damage a dog’s health. Bringing Cindy;s dogs for a dog scan to determine if the bamboo plant harmed him. Another point, why in the world would a nurse have to research chlorophyll? We learned that in the 3rd grade. Oh all of a sudden the stain was in the car when they purchased it. Cindy’s answers were all planned out. There were two stains and she only spoke about one of them to mislead the jury. What about the second stain?
That was pretty funny. It sounds like you have taken humor notes from Hornsby.
Thanks, I was wondering why Dr. Lee hasn’t been put on the stand. I was amazed that the defense had him in the first place. Dr. Lee knows a mess when he sees it.
Here is an excellent article seeming to prove Cindy lied about the Google searches on chloroform, and it explains why:
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/03/05/the-google-searches-and-cindy/
it is not excellent and wrong. it does not prove Cindy lied.
The google searches are worth nothing in this trial. Will you kill a person based upon google searches?
Well, of course I wouldn’t! But I thought it made sense. **shrugs** I’m no computer expert.
But for laugh….I am in Tampa, about an hour from Orlando, and on the news JUST NOW, there was a warning about coyote sitings, and tips on what to do if you encounter them. I laughed right out loud.
The circumstances still do not add up to an accident, or more specifically, a drowning accident. Especially with the added asserted participation of George Anthony and Roy Kronk. Yes, I agree that there was dysfunction in the family, whatever that is, but what family has a perfectly equitable and healthy dynamic?
The defendant never told police that there was a drowning accident. The child was found with duct tape, in a dump, where the body was not recovered for 6 months. Pool pictures with toddlers (like Caylee’s) prove toddlers love pools and swimming. This could be said for 99.9% of children in Florida, with pools, who have not drowned, or who have drowned but 911 was called. The defendant lied and lied and lied. The defendant moved on, partied and showed no distress. The defendant continued with the same stone cold affect in court, in videos in regard to Caylee, but then demonstrated genuine emotion when the subject specifically referred to her and her ‘hardships’. To wit, since the defendant has shown emotion in court, it tends to invalidate the ‘inability to emote’ because of disassociation argument. There is something not right with Casey Anthony, and there is a litany of potential diagnoses out there, some are not all that mitigating, but none of them will be rendered in expert opinion based on direct analysis.
The defendant does not have a psychologist on the witness list, who examined her specifically and extensively, who will testify that there was any legitimate diagnosis that points to disassociation or any other explanation for not contacting police EVER. Even if the defense successfully ‘proves’ that Casey Anthony was sexually abused, it still does not prove a condition existed that explains not reporting a drowning and subsequent cover-up by 2 other individuals. Unfortunately, there are large numbers of incest abuse victims in this country, but how many treat their child’s death with such utter disregard and in fact exhibit happiness instead? I’m not saying it’s not possible, but there has been no substantiation in this case. If we talk in anecdotal terms, like is often done by talking heads, I say look at the extreme abuse the daughter of Josef Fritzl suffered. She bore many children of his, was locked in a dungeon, essentially, but when one of the children became sick, she persuaded him to bring the child to a hospital, where all of the horrible abuse was eventually revealed.
At this juncture, I feel that the state has not sufficiently proven first degree premeditated murder, but if the financial issues work themselves into the trial, they just might. I believe that the tough love routine that Cindy Anthony began to embark on, following Casey’s extensive thefts, could have turned the tide and created an environment where both Caylee and Cindy lost their usefulness. We see this exemplified when Cindy Anthony delivers receipts to an officer for credit card theft when Casey is handcuffed. The free meal ticket and party money was about to run dry. If Cindy Anthony took custody of Caylee, there would no longer be any emotional leverage for Casey to use, in order to siphon more funds. With Caylee gone, Casey Anthony then proceeded to steal money from new sources, such As Amy.
If I were a juror, I do not believe I could outright acquit. Before anyone attempts to deduce any Fox News or Nancy Grace right wing political ideological connection and/or begin Christian proselytizing and moralizing, consider that I am a free roaming agnostic, with no religious association, left from center liberal, who is anti-death penalty, but must be given *reasonable* and logical explanations to arrive at reasonable doubt.
Richard,
Why would the judge seal the records of the meeting in chambers today?
Thanks.
Follow him on Twitter @RichardHornsby he doesn’t really come back here much anymore. But he tweets his opinions pretty regularly.
Thanks, Regina
YVW 🙂
Cindy lied about Gentiva. I have worked for them on a Consultant Basis to prepare them for Joint Commission Accreditation surveys. Gentiva’s internal computer system (INTRANET) allowed full access to all parts of the Internet as well as their internal proprietary files. Gentiva’s policies and procedures require that all passwords are recorded by IT. Monthly an IT specialist meets with every employee and is present for the changing of ALL passwords. Gentiva also does have all records & emails going back 3 yrs. It is a requirement for accreditation. The Joint Commission does NOT have separate accreditation for each Gentiva property –their accreditation is for the whole company and every branch in every state. Further, the employee time sheets definitely will state if she left early on some day. She was an exempt employee and would still be required to use PTO or sick/vacation time if she left early more than an hour early.
I wonder if Cindy is aware that every time that she logged onto or off of her Gentiva work computer that by keystroke it was identified as her (by her password) and that the Corporate Headquarters in Atlanta of Gentiva have all of these records. Hmmm.
With Cindy mentioning the check fraud charges, will that make it available for the state to bring up the felony convictions? The SA’s need to ask Cindy, “Have you ever deleted the internet history?” or “Can you explain how to delete the internet history?”
I will never understand the great latitude given to Cindy. She seems to be able to lie without fear of repercusions.. She should be torn to pieces buy the state and exposed for perjury… Only thing I can assume is the state isnt well prepared or that they just dont care.
I have worked for large companies and have never known of any situation where the IT department could not get into your computer regardless of your password. I had to change mine every six weeks or so, that is normal, but certainly never precluded Admin from being able to spy on email if they so wanted to. I’ve seen a girl fired for too many personal emails and web activity, and she had her own password too. Cindy was full of it when she said all that nonsense, and it would be extremely easy for the prosecution to impeach her on it if they so choose. Admin knows exactly when you login and logoff.
Example: Someone gets fired and escorted off the premises. You think all their work is lost because no one knows their password? OF COURSE not.
Thanks for the Twitter info! I’m not on Twitter, but found him! Richard is HILARIOUS!
Richard, on your twitter you mentioned that Jennifer Barringer woman. Is she the same woman who worked on the Phil Spector trial with Linda Kenney Baden? Also, Is she the same Jennifer Barringer that beat the crap out of her boyfriend’s face with perfume bottles last year in her NY apartment? I goggled her and saw a New York Post article about her arrest and was curious if this is the same woman?
Ask him on Twitter in 140 characters of less, lol… 🙂
Richard, if Leonard Padilla’s theory is true about Roy Kronk finding the remains because his girlfriend worked in the correction facility and rumors of where caylee remains were were overheard by a correction officer. What, if any, laws would protect casey rights or is there a type of lawyer/client privilege in the jail house. Would this be a problem for the states case?
And if so, WHY?
The world please stand outfront of your local court house Tuesday June 28,2011 with a sign saying , We Demand Justice For Caylee Anthony. I feel shes gotten lost in the court system, seems the grandparents and uncle only care about freeing Casey. So who cares about Caylee?
Why did you not post mine??
Finnell is a breath of fresh air in a case engulfed in stench.
After today, I have been thinking about the Anthony family. It was strange enough after the DT opening arguments to see LA crying on the stand about a baby shower and I know I didn’t buy his tears were about a baby shower. Or even about being “left out” of his sister’s pregnancy. I mean, it’s just weird. But after today, when LA pretty much called his own mother a liar on the stand? I’m trying to figure what could possibly be going on, and I have a theory:
At first, we’re all thinking the DT is trying to show just how dysfunctional this family is. Well, who cares? All families are dysfunctional. There is no Leave it to Beaver family on earth. Even Mrs. Brady caught crabs from a one nighter with a politician, so just hang up those ideals, cuz they are all bullshit.
I think, just *maybe*, we are being led to think that the only believable member of this family is Lee Anthony. I mean, we feel his pain on the stand. He’s admitted his sister is a big fat liar and he knew it. We’ve seen him pretty much testify against his own mother today. We are starting to perhaps feel that he is estranged from his family and is taking the high road above all and refusing to lie about any of this crap anymore. Buy it? It’s not hard.
So, what if this is all a strategic move to set us all up to believe what he will tell us later on? Whatever that may be.
Just a thought. Nothing with this family would surprise me anymore, and when it comes right down to it, I don’t believe any of them, but if I had to choose one to give a shadow of a doubt to? It’d be Lee.
🙂
Regina
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