Top 10 Reasons Casey Anthony will not Testify

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10. She could pick up the phone to call 911 over some pesky protesters, but not when her daughter supposedly drowned? I don’t think so.

9. You wouldn’t want to testify either if Jose Baez or Cheney Mason hadn’t visited you in jail since June 12, 2011.

8. Cheney Mason is so close to death, blow flies are circling over his head.

7. What’s the rush to lock in her testimony now? There’s only a 99% chance of a reversal on appeal due to ineffective assistance of counsel.

6. You think its bad that Cheney Mason screwed up by letting your mother admit to accusing you of stealing from her, wait until the jury finds out you were convicted of Six Felony Check Fraud counts for stealing from your “best friend.”

5. Linda Drane Burdick, need I say more?

4. Standing next to your lawyer during a press conference after your’e indictment for First Degree Murder while wearing a “Help find Caylee Button” is never a good idea when you knew your daughter drowned four months earlier.

3. You wouldn’t want to testify either if you had Jose Baez as your attorney.

2. When your lawyer accused every witness before you of capitalizing on your daughter’s death, you too would be a wee bit concerned about how the jury would react to hearing the two of you cashed in for a cool $200K Dollars in blood money from ABC.

1. Jeff Ashton, Homey Don’t Play That!.

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134 responses to “Top 10 Reasons Casey Anthony will not Testify”

June 28, 2011

Lorrie Tealey

excellent !

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June 28, 2011

art tart

OMG! Hilarious & true!

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June 28, 2011

Sue

Something else I was snooping around about
On 12/10/2008 Jose did a interview and
Was arguing with orange county with court orders
To get all the missing caylee tips turned over
To the defense so they could be looking
For a live caylee well the next day her body was found

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June 29, 2011

Curiossidy

Wow, #9 surprised the hell out of me! Neither of them have been to see Casey in 2 weeks?? During her trial in which they are trying to get her off? I can’t think of the words right now to describe how that looks.

I do wonder about Casey testifying, though. HHJP did mention at the end of court today that she would have the ultimate decision (paraphrasing there) and that he’d be asking her about it…She was nodding her head YES during that…”YES, I understand I have the choice,” or “YES, I’M GOING TO TESTIFY BECAUSE I THINK I’M SO GOOD I CAN GET THAT JURY TO BELIEVE ME (esp. #4)??” Guess we’ll find out in a couple of days.

I do agree that all 3 of the SAO team would end up exposing her & she would not be credible at all when they’re finished with her. She probably wouldn’t be credible after the DT first puts her on direct, though, come to think of it! LOL…Hmmm, maybe you’re right after all, Richard. I don’t see Casey looking good no matter what she gets up there on the stand and says for either side.

Does anyone think the jury has seen enough of her smirks, anger, fake tears, blank/stoic looks during gruesome testimony, etc. that they’d have a hard time believing a suddenly soft-spoken, nice, supposedly abused woman – which is the way the DT would need to project her on the stand, n’est pas? Or am I not thinking something through?

Mason, be sure to let us all know when you’re having fun, cause I sure haven’t seen it yet…

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June 29, 2011

Katprint

I agree that it would be irrational for Casey to testify, for the reasons you stated and many others. Based on the many details in Baez’ opening statement that we will “never know” (e.g. where and how Kronk got Caylee’s body & all the stuff from the Anthony residence to stage the December discovery of the remains) it would appear that the defense team did not expect Casey to testify.

The wording of the Motion to Determine Competency to Proceed http://www.wesh.com/pdf/28372430/detail.html suggests Casey may be irrational, at least as far as cooperating with her attorneys including (possibly) her attorneys’ advice that she should not testify.

“Based on privileged communications between Casey Marie Anthony and her counsel, counsel reasonably believes that Ms. Anthony is not competent to aid and assist in her own defense and is incompetent to proceed. As a result of this well-founded concern, counsel requests a full competency determination before the continuation of trial proceedings.”

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1. June 29, 2011
  
  Curiossidy
  
  So, if Casey insists on testifying & is convicted (let’s say she doesn’t get the DP), will she have enough for an appeal based on the motion you referenced? 3 psychologists/psychiatrists found her competent…
  
  I wonder if Casey’s furious writings at the DT desk lately have been about what her team has been doing wrong for her appeal…I’m sure she has to turn over these writings to someone on the DT team to keep (can’t take them with her back to cell)…does she have the right for them NOT to read them & just hold on to them for her? lol, I guess it’s the late hour but that last part sounds kinda dumb to me…probably not, so nevermind about that.
  
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  1. June 29, 2011
    
    Curiossidy
    
    Oops, forgot to say that the motion was denied by HHJP, right? He did find her competent after the 3 exams…
    
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2. June 29, 2011
  
  LawNovice
  
  Eight weeks into the trial and suddenly she is not competent to proceed?!? Seriously?!? She has been handing papers to the Defense team to use on direct and cross examinations. She has been making notes. She has not appeared to be “out of it”, “confused”, or “unreasonable in her actions”. This is a last ditch effort to save her. Baez is almost ludicrous in his actions and words. He asks the same question over and over, even after an objection has been sustained. He gives that “but, daaaad!!!” look every time the prosecution objects. Someone must have told Baez that he has to object in order to raise a point on appeal, because he objects to EVERYTHING!!! Judge Perry has had to ask several times what the defense’s theory is, because as JP says, it keeps changing.
  
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June 29, 2011

Sloan

The ABC’s of Casey Anthony’s defense per Jose Baez:

A.nybody
B.ut
C.asey

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June 29, 2011

Buddy

Love it! When does the Law Comic’s Live Tour kick off?

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June 29, 2011

Interested

What’s the third word on # 3 (lol)?

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1. June 29, 2011
  
  Interested
  
  Oh, I know, it’s bird.
  Bird, bird, bird, *the bird* is the word.
  
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June 29, 2011

uklaw

Do you know where her jail records are posted online?

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June 29, 2011

Cuttler

This one literally made me laugh out loud!:

8. Cheney Mason is so close to death, blow flies are circling over his head.

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June 29, 2011

anonymous

Richard you are the BEST! Love your tweets!

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June 29, 2011

Laura Interrante

I don’t know what trial you D.A.ss have been watching????? She should take the stand and GOOD LUCK to Jeff Ashton!!!!!!

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June 29, 2011

Interested

You changed things up a bit. Good list. Dipshit is the word of the day now, I see.

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June 29, 2011

Interested

Richard, at this juncture, I think I could vote second degree murder, if I was a juror. I know that doesn’t please you, but I think her anger or rage, lack of empathy and stamp of approval on a slimy defense proves what she is capable of.

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June 29, 2011

Marsha

Richard, #8, how do you know they are blow flies? Are you a chemist?

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1. June 29, 2011
  
  Cuttler
  
  Oh come on Marsha … clearly he studied under Dr. Hunttington and his pigs! 😉
  
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June 29, 2011

TiaMaria

Even though you are not a chemist or a meter reader, but apparently a pretty good attorney and and “idiot blogger”, I still love ya!

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June 29, 2011

Interested

Richard, is it too late for one, or both, of the parents to take the stand, and admit failures of parenting, perhaps declare that they knew Casey was a liar and very troubled, that she even lied about the abuse, and that she is “off” and that they should have had her go into therapy when there were earlier signs during George and Cindy’s marital problems? I mean, this sexual abuse thing isn’t working, the convoluted story of the body being moved, etc. is absurd, especially with Kronk, and in reality, it makes a hell of a lot more sense and would be more believable to jurors. They could even state, with threat of contempt, that Casey admitted the accident to them. The guy with the messed up sister who has since redeemed herself would be sympathetic. Maybe they could say the turning point was when Lee became sick, and at that time, her personality changed.

Ted Kaczynski’s brother David not only turned his brother in, as did Cindy with her daughter, to an extent, but he argued how he saw Ted decline, becoming paranoid and irrational over time. David campaigned successfully, insisting that putting Ted to death would be punishing the family for doing the right thing. That certainly could be argued here for grandparents who have already lost their grand daughter.

Why didn’t this defense get a psych expert early on?

On a personal note, though, I am becoming convinced that she IS a sociopath versus having a mental illness like Ted.

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1. June 29, 2011
  
  lpgoode
  
  well said!
  
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2. June 29, 2011
  
  Brenda
  
  Interested needs a LIKE button. 🙂
  
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3. July 1, 2011
  
  NancyB
  
  Oh, they did! Here is the list of the lot of them.
  
  Psychology Evaluations so far…
  
  Procknow DCF worker 7/20/08
  
  Dr. Steven Gold had a 4 hour interview On 7/23/08 Bond Hearing
  
  Dr. Jeffrey A Danziger At the 7/22/08 Bond Hearing per request of DT
  
  Dr. Alan S. Berns At the 7/22/08 Bond Hearing per request of DT
  
  Dr. William Weitz – Not sure when he was consulted by DT but billed the State $6,850 & approved by Judge Perry a few weeks ago)
  
  Dr. Henry McClarin On 6/25/2011
  
  Dr. Ryan Hall On 6/25/2011
  
  Dr. Dan Trexler On 6/25/2011
  
  IMO, the problem is that Casey does NOT have a mental illness – the problem is that they all have Dx her as being a sociopath/psychopath which is not treatable or amenable to medications or talk therapy. Why else would they have not used them during the trial?
  
  Remember last March or April when the state was in the middle of deposing the DT’s 2 psychologists & 1 psychiatrist and the DT placed an emergency call to Judge Perry to immediately stop it. The DT then made the decision that they would not call any of them during the trial phase.
  
  Richard – love love the top 10!! LOL
  
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June 29, 2011

Jim

Brilliant!

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June 29, 2011

Interested

Baez will push it far enough where he will elicit from George that he and Cindy were covering for Casey, believing she was involved at the time, we were almost there in that last line of questioning.

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June 29, 2011

Interested

OMG, he is treading dangerously close to bringing out the money HE was paid by media.

and, Sorry, I don’t have a twitter account.

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June 29, 2011

Interested

Richard, if you should decide not to be a lawyer, you can then write satirical books, or law sketches for SNL. You are seriously killing me on twitter.

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June 29, 2011

Interested

The grief “expert” reminds me of a drunken Debbie Reynolds.

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June 29, 2011

Downtown Pearl

she’ll testify because her narcissism is overwhelming and she wants the spotlight, it’s her drug, attention.

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June 29, 2011

judypc

Richard, OMG you are a hot mess, I love you’re take on this outter limits case.

I’m sure legal journals for years will show this case as a “How Not to”

All peer reviewed by Barnes & Noble !!!

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June 29, 2011

judypc

I have to ask, was I the only one that wanted someone to leap across the room and deck Jokin Jose’ ?

I mean, really he’s a lawyer?

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1. June 29, 2011
  
  frankie
  
  LOL…You know I wanted to smack him. What a sleaze! I know not all defense lawyers are like bozo, but he sure does give all defense lawyers a bad name. The rest of the field must be as embarrassed as real grief counselors over whats her name….silly sally?
  
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June 29, 2011

Chester

Just chiming in to say that Richard, your tweets are keeping me sane. Thank you.

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June 29, 2011

Michael G.

I am getting really irritated by Bill Sheaffer coverage on wftv (channel 9). The supposed “defense attorney” openly cheers for the prosecution and seems like a member of the Jeff Ashton/Drane Burdick fanclub. I don’t think a defense attorney should ever openly cheer for the prosecution unless it is a case where the alleged crime was committed against that lawyer or one of his/her loved ones/friends.

I am having trouble with the 1st degree premeditated murder evidence(I don’t think felony murder should have been allowed as a possible charge). There are no fingerprints on the duct tape, no dna on the duct tape and as such no way to link the alleged murder weapon to Casey Anthony in a decisive way. The medical examiner could not determine the cause of death but said it was a homicide anyway. Driving around with a corpse of your daughter in your trunk and disposing of her body does not prove murder.

The bones did not show evidence of ante mortem injury and searches for neck breaking are moot(maybe she planned on killing her parents but she is not on trial for that). Since we dont know whether chloroform was the cause of death searches for chloroform do not prove murderous intent. Chloroform, afterall is a sedative first and foremost and poison last.

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June 29, 2011

Steve

I think she’s forcing them to let her testify…My thougts…

1. The incompetence motion….The lawyers are trying to silence their own client
2. Absent lawyers this morning…give her a chance to communicate with the judge and jury

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June 29, 2011

Steve

i do think Ashton is very clever and extremely experienced. But he’s such a dick in behavioral terms that he’s lost me as a (non) Jury member.

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June 29, 2011

Steve

i want to bang linda, so whatever she says is good

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1. June 30, 2011
  
  Curiossidy
  
  TMI, Steve…
  
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June 30, 2011

Kimpossible

My stomach is hurting from laughing so hard. Thank you Mr.Hornsby,you made my day.

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June 30, 2011

Mary

Richard don’t hold back, tell us how you REALLY feel!!!!!

LOVE LOVE LOVE the top ten reasons!!!! ROTFLMAO!!!!!

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June 30, 2011

Erin

I want to compliment you on your Viva Bella Velveeta tweet of I think 6/28. Bella Velveeta is inspired! I thought I was terribly clever adding VIVA to the front of that and slapping it on my FB. I then decided to google it just to make sure it was an original Erinism and voila, check out the big brain on Richard. Nice work, chap. Trademark it before Cindy Anthony gets wind of it (the cheese farts of the damned are nasty.).

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June 30, 2011

MorganB

Mr. Hornsby – CLASSIC!

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June 30, 2011

Interested

Cruz isn’t hurting the state’s case so far, she seems credible, I don’t think Ashton should be beating her up so much.

If George had an affair, even if only an emotional one, and not sexual, he should have simply admitted it. It is not a big deal. Frankly, I think the Anthonys assumed it was an accident for a long time and thus tried to help cover for Casey with the media blitzes.

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June 30, 2011

Philip

Richard,

Come on, tell us how you “really” feel about Cheney and Baez. You got nothing to lose. Spill the beans! I want you to be on TV like Mark Eiglarsh and yes the infamous Mark Gergous. Everyone remembers him!

One question, have you actually met Cheney, Baez, or the curly haired woman that sits next to Casey? Who is she anyways?

Does anyone think that Baez will win going up against the State? Has any Defense team ever beat the State? You all remember the Scott Peterson trial. His defense team lost.

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June 30, 2011

Interested

MysticalMatch.com perfection: Grief lady & D.Casey, amirite?

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June 30, 2011

Interested

Baez is trying to mitigate the tape, even if you believe Casey did it, they are trying to make it look like the tape wasn’t on Caylee’s face, it was sealing the bag.

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1. June 30, 2011
  
  Interested
  
  The problem for the defense is NO ONE can testify that Casey was in any type of “dissociative state” for months and months while never reporting Caylee dead or missing before the remains were found. NO ONE has proven any reason for disassociation, such as sexual abuse. She told different lies to different people, while Caylee was missing; that being more consistent with a self-serving person not wanting to get caught, rather than a person living in a fantasy. A drowning was brought up by the Anthonys, an accident was brought up by police, Casey Anthony denied both of these scenarios. She became angry and agitated that the Anthonys “cared more about Caylee” than her. That wouldn’t seem to fit into any ‘ugly coping’ mechanism, being jealous of a beloved child who has died drowning, or via *magical thinking* is on a holiday trip, now would it? And if she was so shell shocked, wanting to imagine her baby in a safe place, then why make up a story about kidnapping and further alluding that her friends might be involved, and not be trusted? While Lee was playing Inspector Clouseau (sans the serendipity afforded the character) she never once told him that George was not to be trusted.
  
  Why wouldn’t a mother want police to find the remains of her dead daughter lying alone, decaying in a swamp, as opposed to that grieving mother who sat out in the rain? Because the police would find duct tape on the child’s face, and perhaps some additional evidence, that was highly inconsistent with an accident.
  
  She’d have to get up on the stand to convince me otherwise.
  
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  1. June 30, 2011
    
    Interested
    
    One more thing. Casey Anthony put out a public statement indicating that she was not pleased with the way the Anthonys handled Caylee’s remains, she wanted them buried, so she could visit, instead of being cremated. That didn’t illustrate someone who knew Caylee was dead and was at odds with her parents?
    
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    1. July 1, 2011
      
      Erin
      
      How often do you think she visited the grave during those 31 days? Please. She gives them permission to hold the service and then screws with them in her own statement. If Casey were sane and had the first clue of how expensive a casketed burial is, she would never have made the remark. God forbid anybody let alone the mother have life insurance on a child. By the way she didn’t make the statement until the remains had been found and they were about to do the memorial service. She was complaining about the public memorial as well. She didn’t want to have to hear about it on the radio in her cell. The family is all about one-upsmanship and even that event is replete with it. Sick stuff.
      
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June 30, 2011

irene garcia

I don’t think she will testify because I think that she realizes now that this is for real and she can not lie. So once she is up there she has to tell it all or maybe she will break and just tell it all. The whole truth and nothing but the truth.

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1. July 1, 2011
  
  Erin
  
  Zero wiggle room. Her mother tried it and is going to fry. They are both going to atone for their bulljive.
  
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June 30, 2011

Just thinking

And just maybe she is thinking what ever happens will happen. Because somthing happened to the little one. With her not testifying she is almost saying I am guilty.

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July 1, 2011

Interested

If the duct tape sealed the bag, how did it end up keeping the mandible in place via its strong adhesion to the hair? Spitz insisted it was attached after death, freshly applied from the roll upon discovery of the bone remains. So with Baez’s new insinuation based on the pet cemetery theory, after it was sealed and wound tightly around, and to, the top of the bag, one month through FL heat and humidity, someone quite gifted came along, removed it off the bag intact and then staged it around the head, but first decorated the skull with hair. Anyone knows that tape, regardless of adhesive strength, will lose at least some it’s stickiness or glue component to the first object that it was attached to. It makes even less sense now that it could have survived storms and swaying in floods to keep the skull attached if it was through second-hand used tape. If this was the case, why wasn’t it attached directly to the bone? That would have been easier to accomplish than staging decomposing hair that would have been extraordinarily fragile at that point.

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July 1, 2011

Interested

Richard
I wish you and Diana Tennis could appear on TV together. You guys could really take it on the road. Hilarious, thanks.

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1. July 2, 2011
  
  Richard Hornsby
  
  Yes, I really enjoy Diana’s thoughts as well. And the best part is that unlike several other commentators, she still tries cases and what you see on TV is what she is like in real life.
  
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July 2, 2011

Nicki Buerkett Mason

Brilliant. Short, sweet, and to the point. Too bad about the reversal.

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July 2, 2011

Vanessa

One would hope that Hornsby had at least one case to work on everyday. Sorry to hear he doesn’t have any, but good to see he’s found a way to vent his envious rage at the important attorneys who work everyday, rather than blog everyday as he does.

Jose Baez, Cheney Mason, Ann Fill and Dorothy Clay Simms are busy attorneys with work to do everyday, they have much more important things to do than blog as Hornsby does.

Hornsby, your attempt to gain attention is pitiful. What a shame, people feel sorry for you.

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1. July 2, 2011
  
  Richard Hornsby
  
  Let’s not kid ourselves, you are free to search the Orange County Clerk’s website by attorney and you will see I have more cases currently open than Jose and Cheney combined, that I have handled more cases than both of them combined over the last three years, and that I have had more trials than both of them combined in the last three years too.
  
  Face it Casey Anthony has four current attorneys (actually six), has had another six who have left for various reasons over the past three years, some of the best fame seeking experts $200K can buy.
  
  That my dear, is pitiful.
  
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  1. July 2, 2011
    
    Interested
    
    I don’t believe he even spent half that amount on this case, do you? It seemed like he did nothing but go on TV in the first couple of years before Casey was declared indigent.
    
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July 2, 2011

GET To The Truth

Interested,

The defense doesnt have to prove anything, the State does. They did their job and that is they proved reasonable doubt. The State did not prove its case IMO and if she’s convicted of first degree I’d be shocked. She’s guilty of neglect and lying to LE, but then again , so is Cindy and George Anthony. This entire case is a joke and the investigation is even more so. Think a jury can get past the fact that a loving grandfather and mother never called in Caylee missing either? Guess we’ll see

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1. July 2, 2011
  
  Richard Hornsby
  
  I agree the defense does not have to prove anything and I agree that they raised reasonable doubt as to First Degree Murder (or more aptly, I don’t think the state ever had evidence beyond a reasonable doubt of First Degree Murder). With that said, I also agree with you that she engaged in neglect and that neglect led to her daughter’s death. And as such, I believe Aggravated Manslaughter of a Child is the appropriate sentence.
  
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  1. July 2, 2011
    
    Interested
    
    Richard & Get to the truth
    I could never agree to first degree murder in a death penalty case, anyway. I think second degree or aggravated manslaughter is appropriate in this case. Sad thing is, it might have made a big difference for me if they had had Casey evaluated by a psych expert, instead of presenting the magical unicorn lady. As it is, now I really think Casey is a malignant narcissist or worse. I don’t believe the defense provided reasonable doubt, personally, (for acquitall), but I respect other people’s opinions. I do believe she acted with malice and intent, I just don’t think it was premeditated.
    We’ll hear from her, or about her again, when/if she gets out. I just hope she stays in FL, lol.
    
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    1. July 5, 2011
      
      B-Man
      
      I would have to disagree with both, sorry Mr. Hornsby and i do take into consideration your knowledge but i digress. Although the Defense does not have to testify they did. By doing so they owe their client a “reasonable defense”. What the defense tried to do is pose reasonable doubt”. If anything would i proffered from the nearly 2 months of testimony as the only reasonable doubt offered was to the defense teams adequacises, or inadequacies as many of you may have witnessed.
      
      IMO, the defense failed to argue three main components. IMO, they failed to “remove” Caylee from the trunk of the car. Key witnesses relayed that the trunk smelled of HUMAN DECOMP.
      
      The defense could not slip, slip, slide away from the computer searches and it was even more damaging when Cindy’s bosses took the stand! C-H-L-R-O-F-O-R-M was searched 84 times by no one other than KC and there is no “reasonable doubt” instituted by the defense.
      
      Lastly, and probably the most crucial, is the duct tape…the UNIQUENESS of this CASE, which was insinuated by BAEZ, was the brand of this tape…Not only were there 3 strips of tape on this CHILD there was no reasonable explanation as to “why” there was 3 strips…if i’m not mistaken FOGHORNE LEGHORNE MASON insinuated there were only 2 on the skull and 1 found 25′ away…little does anyone remember is that there were 3 on her face and 1 (which would make 4) was found 25′ away.
      
      First degree murder only has to show pre-med which with what outlined here, IMO, shows. Child abuse resulting in death…or negilegence…NO…there is no proof that abuse occured to this CHILD!! Coming from a “dysfuntional” family does not exhonerate the mother nor is it any more surprising that she, KC, comes from such a family as many people can testify that they too come from one…as do I but i know my wrongs from rights…I see no other sentence coming down other that Murder 1…In My Opinion…
      
      Thanks Richard for ALL your insight and your knowledge and willingness to share!!
      
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July 2, 2011

Interested

Regardless of whether attention seeking, or not, Hornsby is *intentionally* a riot. With the exception of Finnell, and on rare occasions, Cheney, there is also a lot of hilarity with the other aforementioned, but quite unintentionally. And when you think about it, THAT is really sad.

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July 3, 2011

Interested

Baez: There’s a stain, there isn’t a stain, there’s a stain.

(First there is a mountain, then there is no mountain, then there is…Donovan)

Outrageous, outrageous, blah, blah, blah, outrageous, outrageous.
He made some points, now he is just contradicting himself at times. Talk talk talk. Yackity yackity yack.
No answer for 31 days. Yawn.

Is this a closing argument or a filibuster?

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July 3, 2011

Interested

Ashton behaving like a five year old snickering.

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July 3, 2011

Interested

Baez was a child in his response, as well.

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July 4, 2011

Interested

VERY impressed with Linda’s closing. I thought she was horribly flat on opening, but this is truly compelling & convincing stuff. Ashton was also magnificent.

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July 4, 2011

NTL

Love, love, love, love your Top 10 list!!! ROFL!

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July 5, 2011

Wign

So happy for Casey today..

I had to delete all my blogs because I was attacked left and right for believing her not guilty,well today a jury also believed it!! God Bless our justice system!!

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July 5, 2011

NancyB

I am heartbroken.. I am utterly dismayed that this jury discarded all the lesser charged options and basically have set this psychopath free.

I am disgusted that Baez had the utter arrogance today to publicly declare that this was justice for Caylee. Did the jury have no understanding of the definition of reasonable doubt? Did they think any doubt was equivalent? I’m appalled and just gobsmacked at our justice system that allowed Baez to trash so many people and tell the jury blatant lies and call it evidence. He actually had the gall to tell the jury in his Closing Statement that we will never know how Caylee died! Did he forget his Opening Statement where he insisted that it was an accident and that she drowned?

Will Casey next be appearing with all of her DT on all of the TV shows? Will she get her own Reality Show or just a 2 million dollar book deal?

The perversion of our justice system is more complete today.

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1. July 5, 2011
  
  Interested
  
  Shocking verdict. I wonder if the death penalty wasn’t attached if there would have been a different result. I wouldn’t have decided 1st degree for that reason, and after Ashton explained that some of the combinations of charges reached felony murder, I think that may have made a difference with the jurors. Either that, or *reason* is sometimes tossed out the window. It’s amazing how much leeway is given to mothers. If this was a case with a stranger involved, or a father, would anyone ever believe it was an accident or that the state didn’t prove their case? Unbelievable. Now all you have to do is lie, make sure all evidence is destroyed and hire a sloppy ethically challenged lawyer. Scratch that, I suppose thats been happening long before this case.
  
  Anyway, now I can completely avoid HLN, Nancy and Jane, so there is a rainbow. Too bad for Caylee, though. I suspect the Anthonys will live happily ever after with each other. Does anyone imagine that Casey will move back with her parents?
  
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July 5, 2011

NancyB

Remember the numerous jail letters that Casey wrote to another inmate and in everyone of them she mentions that she “just could not wait to get out of jail and have another baby?” Now that is a very scary thought. I sure do hope that she has changed her mind about that!

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July 5, 2011

Tracy

I wish someone would remind the old blowhard Foghorn Leghorn, AKA Colonel Sanders (when he wears the snazzy cream colored suit), that he was a talking head prior to joining this defense team. The audacity of that man is beyond reason for a thinking person.

My question. Judge Perry made the comment quite a while that the courts, or maybe it was JAC, could and would sue for monies spent. Is there any remote possibility that Judge Perry could fine Ms. Anthony for lying to LE and demand she pay back the costs of the search, investigation and the trial in light of the fact that she knew all along that her daughter was dead and supposedly died by accident. The cost to the state of Florida was in the millions.

I believe Baez planned this out using the Lindbergh baby kidnapping story and media frenzy as a template.

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July 5, 2011

Elaine

I’m commenting here because I don’t have a twitter page but have been following yours… I wonder if the IRS is watching…she best get to selling whatever she can!

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July 5, 2011

Elaine

p.s. Life wasn’t so good for the slaves just because they had been set free…

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1. July 5, 2011
  
  Interested
  
  Slaves were hardworking honest people in captive circumstances by no fault of their own, I don’t believe that analogy directly correlates to a woman who perhaps had something to do with her daughter’s death, or at the least, threw her away like trash. Not only that, consider all the people whose lives she’s destroyed while defending herself. Hopefully, she’ll immerse herself in heavy duty psychological therapy, but I wouldn’t count on that.
  
  * I don’t feel like signing up for twitter either, too many accounts and passwords already.
  
  I’ll miss you and your funny quips, Richard, I hope you comment on another case, maybe the doctor charged with MJ’s death? Or Cindy Anthony’s perjury trial. lol, just kidding.
  
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  1. July 5, 2011
    
    Elaine
    
    not being insensitive to the slaves…just simply stating: a beautiful life does not automatically follow freedom.
    
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July 5, 2011

Tracy

Even though I’ve followed this case dilligently for close to 3 years I must admit last night when I was thinking of those 12 jurors deliberating it crossed my mind, what if George did cover up Baby Caylee’s accidental death and went on a mission to save Casey? Then I amassed a few brain cells together and got real. Seemingly the jury didn’t have enough brain cells to get real. They didn’t even review the evidence in their deliberations. Not once. Shame on them! Caylee was an innocent baby who deserved to live. Plus, she was way cuter then her mother ever was. Poor little baby. Gone too soon.

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1. July 6, 2011
  
  Interested
  
  Tracy, with due respect for the jury, they did not have the same information from ALL discovery that the public had, I don’t know if their decision would have been any different, but they weren’t allowed to be told about Casey’s criminal background with the financial thefts. I believe this element was a big part of motive. Big fight with Cindy, Cindy gets tough, tosses her out. Casey was angry and didn’t have the money, or a sugar daddy willing to pay for Caylee and set up babysitters, so that Casey could go on with Bella Vita. There was no way Casey was going to leave Caylee with Cindy, especially if Cindy threatened to get custody. she was ANGRY. These jurors didn’t know that she was trying to blame everyone under the sun for Caylee’s death, before the accident defense, or they didn’t get to contemplate how often murders are the result of the discovery of thefts and lies. They didn’t process Casey and Baez selling a ‘drowned’ child’s photos to the highest bidder, while police and the public were still searching for a live Caylee, when Casey could have still copped to the accident, before she was charged with murder. Pretty damned calculating stuff for a victim who is in fantasyland.
  
  It’s sad that completely innocent ordinary people can get swallowed up by our criminal justice system, like the people who smoke pot or are drug addicts who are sitting in jail because they have inadequate counsel and funds, or because they are the ‘usuual suspects’, when a suburban attractive white woman can dispose of her child and walk free. Especially since there was no evidence presented that anything psychological was wrong with Casey. When you think about it, any criminal in jail/prison has psychological issues. Look at Charles Manson, the man was abused, his mother was a prostitute, and he was subject to all sorts of johns and psychological scarring in his youth. He didn’t directly kill anyone, but had an association with the murderers, no DNA, no hair, no forensics, whatsoever. Would juries today convict him, or would the Casey Anthony jury acquit him since nothing tied him to any of the crime scenes?
  
  Anyway, the fat lady has sung, so time to pick up the folding chairs and go home.
  
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July 5, 2011

Kimpossible

Richard,

I admire your commentaries, but I am disgusted by Baez. What kind of justice system allows a defense lawyer to accuse someone of sexual abuse without any evidence at all-just put the suggestion out there over national tv, to trash multiple people in the media/courtroom with out any consequences. No wonder a defense lawyer can basically suggest anything that they want.
Today, If there are any narcissitic psychopathic people out there, they learned how to kill their child and get away with it. Just don’t report your child missing…EVER (Casey never reported Caylee missing- the grandmother did), Lie to everyone concerning the where abouts of the child, allow the child’s remains to rot away in a hidden area with trash, and continue about your business (partying and getting tatoo) as if nothing has happened.

Those listed where just part of the circumstances. Emotions aside, What happened to common sense? It’s a coincidence that Chloroform was looked up on the computer prior to the death and chloroform found in the trunk. It’s a coincidence where the duct tape was attached on the skull that held the mandible in place. Where is a reasonable alternativee explanation to all the evidence presented, if they piece it all together and look at the evidence as a whole? There was alot of circumstancial evidence in this case, I do not believe the jury even looked at it all, they couldn’t have with the little time the deliberated in. Juries want everything beyond all doubt-not reasonable doubt. I think the prosecution layed out motive and the manner of death that could have been either chloroform, duct tape, or both.

I guess if the jury believes the death was an accident, Dr. G is now be wrong…It’s now only 99.99% of the time that a person calls 911 when the accident of a child is involved.

Casey was a criminal prior to Caylee’s death by stealing and forging checks. She thought she was above the law then(prior to Caylee’s death), and after this verdict it has confirmed her belief. Don’t be surprised if she continues to commit crimes.

If Casey was and ugly minority woman, I bet she would have been convicted. This is not justice.

Too bad the County cannot sue Casey and Baez for the amount of money law enforcement spent for the search. Baez with Casey had a press conference prior to her indictment that Caylee was still alive and Casey was wearing a missing Caylee t-shirt. That was a big fat lie that they both knew, according to Baez’s opening statement.

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1. July 6, 2011
  
  Interested
  
  Sorry Tracy, I hadn’t read this post before I wrote mine above.
  
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2. July 6, 2011
  
  Interested
  
  Sorry again, you aren’t Tracy, lol.
  
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July 5, 2011

Tracy

One more comment and I can say I’ve had enough. IMO, Judge Perry as honorable as he may, be messed up. He gave way too much latitidude to the defense throughout the course of this trial, always erring on the side of caution, always erring for the defense. Did he really think it was a slam dunk for the prosecution and he was looking out for “expected” appellate issues down the road when he made his decisions? That’s how he verbally sounded when he made his decisions. Always worried about appelate issues. How about applying the law as you see fit for this case? Meanwhile, he crippled the prosecutors, essentially deciding how they were allowed to present their case. I hope he’s proud of himself.

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July 5, 2011

Sloan

Don’t kid us, all the “media whores” will now be spinning their wheels to backtrack.

Jose Baez deems himself a ‘boy genius’ and gives the world the proverbial ‘FU’ for doubting his ability. No doubt, he’ll sign a lucrative contract with HLN or some other bullshit media, complete a successful media tour of sudden found noteriety and collect all the blood money he can. Geraldo River clinging to his coat tails.

Casey Anthony, as we speak, is busy mentally planning the next steps to bella vita. Her celebratory sexual experience, her next tattoo, her upcoming lies. She has beaten the system and her head is fatter than its ever been. She killed her child, disposed of her like trash and as has been the pattern in her sad life, answered for nothing. Nada. Mommie Cindy, as usual, did her best to dig Casey out her latest fuck up, proving to the world that the truth and the Anthony family are strangers indeed. They have no shame.

Cindy Anthony busies herself redecorating Casey’s room, cooking that famed pot of chili and likely planning George Anthony’s final kick to the curb. She will most certainly welcome her victorious daughter back home with open and dishonest arms. Each member of this sad family shall be dreaming tonight – of the dollars they each stand to make from this tragedy. The tragedy of an innocent life taken. Innocence lost. Justice denied.

God help them all.

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1. July 5, 2011
  
  Steve
  
  stop whining…Baez took a big risk and he won. He deserves to profit from his victory; just like almost every other attorney (including Richard – who I respect immensely) that lined up to appear on TV.
  
  Becoming an Attorney is an expensive business. It’s a huge investment of time, energy and money. Whoever does it deserves to profit for their superior achievement.
  
  One day you may need someone as financially motivated as Baez to help you clear your name.
  
  Casey has been given her constitutional right to a fair trial and won. Now is the time to suck it up and move on.
  
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2. July 6, 2011
  
  Interested
  
  I’d buy a tell-all book from George, provided there is a ghost writer. He would seem to be the one to illuminate the past in a more honest light, not completely honest mind you, but closer to the truth than the others, in my opinion. Casey can pen, “If I did kill my daughter, how I did it”.
  
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July 5, 2011

kimpossible

Justice is no longer the search for the truth. It has become win at all cost and all about the money.

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July 5, 2011

Steve

I’ll put it out there again. Ashton lost this case; His antics – especially in the latter part of the trial – were unprofessional and very off-putting to any “normal” person.

Think about this from a Juror’s perspective; Ashton’s behavior was so focused on hindering and taunting the defense and not presenting his own powerful case. He miscalculated and LOST!

Interesting that he “retired” today. He was probably fired!

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1. July 5, 2011
  
  Steve
  
  To qualify my comment…I believe she’s guilty of something; I also think Linda was excellent.
  
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  1. July 5, 2011
    
    kimpossible
    
    Steve,
    Baez did enough smirking and disrespectful actions in the court also. If a jury bases their decision on Ashton’s actions and not the deliberating of the evidence presented and seeing what “reasonable” explanations could also explain the same evidence, then that is not justice. The same would be said if the jury based their decision solely on Baez’s actions if they found her guilty.
    Apparently the evidence presented was not enough for the jury and I guess they were somehow able to come up with a reasonable explanation for the 31 days of never reporting your child missing, when the grandmother reports the child missing the mother doesn’t even know the date/time she last saw the child, lying about your child’s where abouts to everyone, child rotting for over 5 months around the corner from your home where trash is dumped, living your life as if nothing ever happened(which is a fake life that you created to coverup your nonjob and stealing), a mother angry at family for only worrying about getting Caylee back(because your first concern should always be for yourself and not your child-right?), chloroform internet searches, chloroform detected in car, car smelling like decomposing body also allerted by cadaver dogs, car abandoned near a dumpster with trash in the trunk, a hair in the trunk with a death band, and duct tape attached to child’s hair holding mandible in place. Casey had access to Caylee, her car, and every piece of evidence in Anthony house since she visited it frequently when ther parents were at work.
    It is not justice when any attorney can make accusations and present absolutely no evidence. It is not justice when an attorney applies tactics of win at all cost, by that I mean throwing everyone under the bus. This case doesn’t just effect Casey, Baez threw out accusations that have destroyed many lives.
    Hopefully the jurors did not come to this decision for monetary reasons, waiting for the big offers from the major media would be questionable since there was so much evidence presented in this case, the amount of time they deliberated would not have been enough time to even look at all the evidence. The media would have been less interested in speaking with the jurors if they had found Casey guilty, just saying of course the media wants to hear from the jurors now, they want to know how they evaluated the evidence..
    I just want to know what THEIR reasonable explanation/theory as to how all the evidence fits together and arrives at reasonable doubt. As an example, If the jurors are only waiting for monetary offers from the media, what does that say about our justice system. I would rather they stay quiet about their verdict, than make money off their interviews. Because if jury duty in high profile cases only equal dollar signs, then justice will never be served.
    
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    1. July 6, 2011
      
      Steve
      
      kim,
      
      Baez did his job and won – two wrongs don’t make a right. My point is simple….I wasn’t a juror, but if I was then the histrionics of the prosecution case from crAshton were a window upon the lack of material evidence. His actions provided the backdrop with which I would view the remainder of the prosecution case. I truly believe that if George & Drane Burdick were the only prosecutors in play then I would have taken a different view.
      
      Here’s one theory of the events:
      
      1. Casey obviously exists in a world where failure is a big issue. She lived a lie long before caylee died. this is probably a function of her family environment.
      2. Caylee died. Casey was somehow involved in the death, probably due to negligence. Maybe she left Caylee in the car – listening to a winnie the pooh cd – while she went into a boyfriends apartment for 5 minutes that became two hours (of humping probably) with Caylee dying from heat exhaustion. (This is one of many reasonable possibilities)
      3. Casey recognized that she would be blamed for the death and started a cover-up (probably a cover up from Cindy & George – not the cops). She put Casey’s body in the trunk and drove around for several days trying to work-out what to do. Eventually after 2-3 days she realized that Caylee was starting to decompose. The smell is ugly. At that point she puts her in the several layers of bags and duct-tapes it up.
      4. Either immediately, or after several more days, she realizes that she needs to dispose of the body and decides that she needs to get rid of it. As someone that grew-up around the swamp area near her house, she knew that no-one went there so put the body in the swamp.
      5. She scrubbed and vacuumed the car but it still smelled bad and so she finally decided to abandon the car near a trash dumpster to maybe explain the smell.
      6. She kept up the pretense and hung around with friends for several weeks. To avoid suspicion, she acted normal with her friends which basically involved partying.
      7. The car, which was still registered in her parents name, was eventually found which led to the show-down with mom.
      8. All history from here…
      
      From my list above, the only crime of any significance was in #2. Riding around with a body in your car is not a crime. putting the body in the swamp is not a crime. lying to your mom is not a crime. abandoning the car is not a crime. There is no such thing as post-meditation (i stole that from Hornsby).
      
      The chloroform evidence was nonsense. What a ridiculous concept! I want to put a child to sleep so I cook up a batch of chloroform rather than just go to walgreens to buy one of 20 things off the shelf that would achieve the same thing. Even is she did, are we expected to believe that the chloroform that Caylee inhaled remained in her tissues until decomposition and then leaked all over the trunk, remaining at “shockingly high” levels until Vass came along?
      
      If the prosecution presented the theory above in #1-#8 and charged accordingly then they would have a 10-15 year sentence right now. But they didn’t! they were greedy!, they were arrogant! & they were over confident. They are the ones that will live with themselves for their poor performance.
      
      The prosecution went for their version of “justice”, based upon emotion, and failed. So they can’t complain that the jury – who are the arbiters of what is justice – used their own version.
      
      In my humble opinion, the verdict was a “Right Verdict” which was one reasonably derived from the evidence presented.
      
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      1. July 6, 2011
        
        Nick
        
        Steve – nice write-up.
        
        I’m with you; no evidence; over-charged and greedy, arrogant presentation.
        
        Orange County, FL has the worst conviction rate in Florida (amongst highly populated counties)
        Seminole County, FL (right next door) has the best.
        
        The difference is the sheriff’s office and the prosecution staff.
      2. July 6, 2011
        
        kimpossible
        
        In your scenerio, negligence is still considered child abuse in most states I know. I don’t think the prosecution was greedy or arrogant in their charges, I think they were following the law and based charges on what they believed happened. I personally would have never recommended the death penalty(I for one I don’t believe in it) and everyone knows that if the verdict came down as guilty then Casey’s parents would beg to spare her life so I think it was a waste of time to even seek the death penalty because victim impact statements are important to a jury.
        Remember, Casey was charged with 1st degree prior to Caylee’s remains being found, both based on circumstances,the physical evidence and Grand Jury. The prosecution later dropped the 1st degree and then re-instated it after the remains where found because they believed that the duct tape to be the murder weapon or a contributing factor in the child’s death.
        The unexpected levels of chloroform found in the trunk, is what lead investigators to check the family’s computers for chloroform searches(not vise-versa) this was prior to finding the remains. Even if one believes, Casey looked it up chloroform out of curiosity because of her boyfriends FB page, she visited the sites multiple times which included how to make and ingredients. Then included in the area of the remains (which Jose introduced) a gaterade bottle containing a syringe with traces of chloroform). This is a great coincidence of occurances no matter how you look at it.
        The Duct tape attached to hair mass that held the mandible in place and had roots growing through it would be very difficult to stage. If duct tape was attached to outside of plastic bag (plastic is not pourous like skin and plastic bags break down at an extremely slow rate) and would have most likely had remnants of tape still attached to the bag. The top of the bag was still tied, other portions of bag were damaged by animal activity. If tape was on outside of the bag, how did it come off the outside of the bag and attach to the hair holding the mandible in place? Skin and tissue breaksdown and degrades with the help of insect activity , so of coarse there would be no dna or fingerprints, the fibers of the duct tape also degrades. Since the hair doesn’t degrade like skin, the tape remained attached with the help help of roots and plant growth.
        If the grandparents were involved, why would any of them even bother calling the police, the lies could have continued indefinately.
        If Casey was an ugly minority woman, I believe she would have been convicted. People tend to view evil as ugly. Pictures of Casey being a good mom is not evidence that she was(people don’t normal document abuse with photos and video) even Susan Smith appeared to be a great mom and had plenty of photos to show it. Casey appeared normal and even her friend Amy had no reason to suspect Casey would steal from her.
        If it was a horrific accident she tried to cover up, a mother would not show distain and indifference to the family that is trying to find her daughter/their ganddaughter unless she did not want her daughter found because it was a huge waste.
        Putting all the circumstances together, I think the Prosecution did a good job. While I feel there is other evidence they should have presented, I think they tried to stream line this case.
        The jury decision is final, they viewed the evidence and felt the accident/cover up was more reasonable and fit the evidence presented, and that the prosecution view/theory of the evidence was less reasonable. The jury verdict does not mean the prosecution did not believe in their case and it does not mean that the prosecution did not do a good job in presenting their case, it only shows that the jury believes that the evidence presented does not prove murder.
July 6, 2011

NancyB

Praise continues to come in for Jose Baez’ performance at the Casey Anthony trial. Most all of the praise is from fellow defense attorneys. Some of the accolades comes from “what else could he do?” standard.

Question: Since when is lying as a defense attorney praise worthy?

Answer: Since the OJ Simpson trial.

It is not the job of a defense attorney to attempt to destroy justice or to attempt to taint truth.

It may be popular but that which is popular isn’t always right.

Objection: What could he have done, given the facts of the case?

Answer: He should have fulfilled his moral and ethical obligation to his client, the court, and the people of the State of Florida and protect his client from malicious prosecution.

What would this mean, practically, in this case? It would have meant foregoing the money, publicity and nonsense and seeking a plea deal early on, even if the State would not go for it. If it meant going to trial, then he should have:

1. Conducted himself with dignity and respect for the court
2. Refrained from all lying
3. Brought each evidence presented by the State into question, forcing the State to prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt.

Instead, he turned it into a den of lies, deceits, and attempts to confuse the jury with varying (constantly changing) theories, including blaming others for the murder.

Objection: Casey lied to Jose Baez; he obviously believed the lies.
Answer: No. Statement Analysis showed that Baez, himself, was deceptive. It is not “obvious” to anyone listening with care.

Had Casey Anthony lied to Baez, and Baez simply repeated the lies, he would not test deceptive in analysis.

If you repeat a lie, not knowing that it is a lie, your language will not show deceit. You may be wrong, but you are not deceitful.

Deception is an act of the will. If you make the decision to lie, it is an act of your will.

The determination of the will is the intellect and the emotions. Emotion is the number one influence upon language. When you make the decision to deceive, whether it is by withholding information, or by deliberate lying, your will is engaged and your language will reveal this.

Jose Baez lied, deliberately, and now receives praise?

Shame.

He held Caylee Anthony in contempt. He held the truth in contempt. He held the people of the State of Florida, of whom he has lined his pockets while not preparing a case, in contempt.

He, like his client, holds the world in contempt.

America needs to turn its back upon Johnnie Cochrain and the new praise of sleezey destruction of the truth in court. If there were no cameras involved in this case (beginning in July of 2008) there would have been a conviction 3 years ago after a 2 day trial. This circus played out before us because of the attention of the camera.

It cuts both ways.

The camera allows for transparency in court, which is useful in the cause of justice, but it also allows clownish performances, and the churning of the American tax payer, dragging out this as long as possible, to suck out every possible dollar.

What was saw was 3 prosecutors, foregoing the camera and salary rewards, for the sake of justice. We saw two clowns, one who presented himself as a “Southern Gentleman”, which is an insult to both Southerners and gentlemen, utterly void of a moral compass. We saw a charlatan who, after one too many fabrications, elicited a chuckle from the hard working prosecutor.

Casey Anthony will be guilty and eventually, fade into oblivion.

Cindy Anthony will cash in beyond her wildest dreams.
George Anthony, who has spent his whole life gaming the system and trying to avoid honest work, will be a millionaire.

Jose Baez will get his deals and will become some form of hero to defense attorneys who would have nothing to do with murderous clients if not for the camera.

Baez will be forgotten too, as just another PT Barnum wannabe. He may have money, but not self-respect.

There will always be those, however, who will not forget Caylee, and the life that might have been. She deserved better treatment than she received in a court where there were more lies told than truth about her.
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July 6, 2011

heckler

Richard you excluded my comment!
Today was a just verdict///Like it or not!

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July 6, 2011

Steve

Statement Analysis along with the Polygraph are theoretical at best with absolutely no substantiated & peer-reviewed studies. As such both are inadmissible as evidence.

The job of a defense attorney is do whatever it takes, within the law, to get his client off the charges presented. He can theorize & confuse as much as he likes. The burden belongs to the prosecutor to prove his theory.

Why post a link to a bunch of BS scripture? Your god didn’t do much to help Caylee, either today or in 2008. But I guess; “god moves in mysterious ways”

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1. July 6, 2011
  
  kimpossible
  
  For those who believe in God, I don’t think they don’t believe that God controls people. I view God as a higher entity that gave us a beautiful environment, Commandments and Free Will to make our own decisions(this is my own personal belief and I’m not asking anyone to accept it). How we as a people decide to treat each other, and our environment is our decision both collectively and individually. If God controlled everything, there would be no purpose or reason for the promise of Heaven because it would already be Heaven on Earth.
  I don’t think the Anthony’s are anymore dysfunctional that other families I have seen today. I don’t know any family that hasn’t had some type of disfunction, and most people don’t air their dirty laundry. Today’s society has created many of these problems. Morality and acceptance of responsibility for one’s own actions is a concept of the past, our own actions are now excused by someone elses behavior as causing them. Parents tend to over endulge their children because they want to provide them with things they’ve never had and so that they can “keep up with the Joneses”. With children’s services dictating how children should & shouldn’t be disciplined, many parents are left feeling frustrated with difficult, spoiled children that was not their initial intent to create. Because of over indulgence, many children feel entitled and are appalled and outrage when a parent tells them no, because they are so use to getting their way. You see more people today who are more braizen in their actions, who lack empathy or respect for others. People ,in general, tend to want everything now, at any cost regardless if it hurts other people.
  I think Cindy and George wanted to provide everything they could for Casey, which included trying to praise her so that she felt good about herself. I think one parent was lenient and the other parent was more stern, which causes conflict and kids learn early on how to pit on parent against another to try to obtain what they want. That doesn’t mean they didn’t try to teach her right from wrong. When children are self centered and feel entitled without consequences, It is difficult for them to feel empathy towards another person. Their desires and wants are the only ones that matter. Cindy most likely repeatedly threaten Casey that she could be charged for the theft of her credit cards and checks, but would never follow through thinking that the threats would be enought to change the behavior, Cindy thought she was giving Casey a chance to change. With Casey being a young adult mother, I’m sure Cindy did not want to impose a criminal record onto her daughter, so she resulted to the threat of it hoping it would scare Casey into straightening up. I’ve seen a lot of parents do this when trying to control a difficult child or negative behavior, threating but never following through. These children just learn alternate ways to hide their bad behavior.
  Casey had criminal behaviors prior to Caylee dying, and history tends to repeat itself(I’m not saying she would kill or injure anyone, just that it wouldn’t be surprising if other type of criminal activity is repeated).
  People followed this case because it reflects the fears of what we might be gravitating towards as a society, a case that contains lying, stealing, manipulating, disrespecting one’s parents, to desire what others have instead of appreciating what you have, treating a child’s body like trash, and the untimely/unreported death of a child. Behaviors we say we are appalled at but some that we have justified to suit our own selfish needs. We all have different perceptions of the world and how it fits our needs, that is why we all have different opinions on a variety of issues.
  A person’s God did not play a role in Caylee’s death. It is a personal choice as to whether a person believes in God or doesn’t believe. Whether one believes it accidental or murder, the actions or inactions of a human being caused her death.
  
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  1. July 6, 2011
    
    Steve
    
    So does your god cause earthquakes? tsunamis? spider bites? HIV?
    
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    1. July 6, 2011
      
      kimpossible
      
      Well Steve, I’m not sure exactly how to answer that, but you asked so I’ll try .. I see my God as creating a complex world/universe that contains multiple facets/functions that allow it to exist and support life and like a machine items are needed to keep it going, even things we have yet to understand. Tectonic plates, volcanoes, weather patterns, season cycles, the sun, plants, animals, people, insects, bacteria, and viruses to name a few. If I believe God created everything, then technically I could say that God caused it even if the intention of these things as a whole where not designed to kill but as a necessary function to maintain life. I don’t think my God would make a spider bite anyone, or cause someone to get HIV, but that is only my belief of my God.
      
      When I was referring to Caylee’s death concerning the accident theory, I was just pointing out that is was not “act of God”. If Casey was distracted from Caylee by phone, computer or anything else then the death was a result of the inaction or action of a human being.
      
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      1. July 6, 2011
        
        Steve
        
        god stuff aside. I’m with you on her being at fault. That’s why negligent homicide is the appropriate charge. Unfortunately greed forced them to go higher – and lose.
    2. July 6, 2011
      
      kimpossible
      
      Well Steve, I’m not sure exactly how to answer that, but you asked so I’ll try .. I see my God as creating a complex world/universe that contains multiple facets/functions that allow it to exist and support life and like a machine, items are needed to keep it going, even things we have yet to understand. Tectonic plates, volcanoes, weather patterns, season cycles, the sun, plants, animals, people, insects, bacteria, and viruses to name a few. If I believe God created everything, then technically I could say that God caused it even if the intention of these things as a whole where not designed to kill but as a necessary function to maintain life. I don’t think my God would make a spider bite anyone, or cause someone to get HIV, but that is only my belief of my God.
      
      When I was referring to Caylee’s death concerning the accident theory, I was just pointing out that is was not “act of God”. If Casey was distracted from Caylee by phone, computer or anything else then the death was a result of the inaction or action of a human being.
      
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      1. July 6, 2011
        
        kimpossible
        
        Sorry Steve, I don’t know why it posted twice.
July 6, 2011

NancyB

Steve –
You stated: “2. Caylee died. Casey was somehow involved in the death, probably due to negligence. Maybe she left Caylee in the car – listening to a winnie the pooh cd – while she went into a boyfriends apartment for 5 minutes that became two hours (of humping probably) with Caylee dying from heat exhaustion. (This is one of many reasonable possibilities)”

Slight problem with #2 of your comment – NOT true. On June 15, 2008 Cindy took Caylee to Mt Doro to see her Great Grand Parents. On June 16, 2008, Cindy was at work at Gentiva and George saw Casey & Caylee leave at 12:50PM before he left for work. Cell ping info proves that Casey remained in the area of her parents home, even though she told George that she was dropping Caylee at Zanny’s & going to work. Cell tower records have her in the area of her parents home until 4:18PM when she heads toward Tony Lazarro’s apt. Casey is later seen on the surveillance video at Blockbuster’s arm in arm with Tony at 7:58PM. Tony testified at the trial that they drove in Casey’s car and that he never saw Caylee that day or ever again.

KC’s cell phone pings showed her at or near the Anthony home until 4:18.
At 4:18 she tracked northward
4:25 pm KC cell phone pings show her tracking westward
No activity on phone for 2 hours and 7 minutes. [NOTE: Up until this point KC has gone no more than about 30 minutes at a time not texting or calling some one over a period of more than 2 months]
5:57 pm KC’s cell phone pings show her tracking northwestward.
7:58 pm Tony Lazarro and KC go to Blockbuster and rent a movie. TL states they stayed up late watching the movie.
From ping map produced by LE for KC’s cell phone activity on 06/16/08, it appears KC remained in the area of the Anthony home/location where remains would be found until approximately 4:15 pm (Pings 1-21). She then appears to have spent the rest of the day at TL’s apartment (Pings 22-28).
She never returned home again (except to sneak into parents house when they were at work or she thought that they would be –beginning of 31 days when no one ever saw Caylee alive again.

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1. July 6, 2011
  
  Nick
  
  so your theory supports the drowning version. Switch #2 to Casey surfs the web for several hours while Caylee gets into the pool and drowns.
  
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  1. July 7, 2011
    
    NancyB
    
    Nope – Nick that does not work because the computer records prove that there was no computer activity on either the desktop or laptop once George left for work about 2:15PM.
    
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July 6, 2011

Craig Williams

Hi Richard

I have read your blog with interest in the Casey Anthony Trial. You must feel quite vindicated as one of the only people who commented that the state could struggle to prove beyond reasonable doubt the Murder charges.

While I also commented on several sites that I believed there was a reasonable doubt, I am also of the feeling that Not Guilty does not mean the same as Innocent.

We may never know what happened.

Craig

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July 6, 2011

Tracy

I’m still wondering about monetary fines for Casey Anthony. Maybe the state could recoup some of the big money that was spent on this case from the windfall that is surely coming her way. That would hurt her where it counts. She didn’t show any grief for her dead baby but I bet she’d react to that.

I ask this because I recall the pillbilly Misty Croslin being sentenced to 25 years, plus a fine of $500,000 for her drug charges. I remember thinking it was more money then she would earn (legally) in her lifetime, especially when she was locked up for that amount of time.

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1. July 6, 2011
  
  Jocky
  
  they can slap her with a lien to cover costs of prosecution.
  
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  1. July 7, 2011
    
    NancyB
    
    Good and let’s add in the tremendous amount of time and money that was used for all the search efforts!
    
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July 6, 2011

kimpossible

It’s too bad the prosecutors didn’t also call the actual Zenaida Gonzalez that visited the exact vacant Sawgrass apartments. Just another coincedence of a real person who’s name was dragged through the mud due to Casey’s lies. The one that police showed Casey a photo and Casey stated she did not know her, yet in jail house videos tells her parents police never showed her a photo of that woman, leaving the impression for her parents and the public that this person could be responsible.
An innocent person involved in an accidental death would have no reason to sit in jail for 3 years, first maintaining a kidnapping the first 5 months, then after the body is found and through their lawyer blame everyone under the sun for the death and placement of the body. If it’s an accident, no need to cast blame on anyone or stand before the world in a press conference with your lawyer to maintain Caylee is still alive wearing a find Caylee t-shirt and your lawyer telling the public to continue looking for a live Caylee.

Too bad the prosecutors didn’t show the jail house letter Casey wrote saying her brother tried to molest her and how she thought her father had done the same when she was much younger. How that hand written statement, through her attorney, esculated to a new and more graphic story of her father putting his penis in her mouth every morning before school. A girl who is molested by her father, is not going to continue staying in the house as an adult and allow that father to watch her child… I know because I left home the day I turned 18 and I was molested by my step-father. Every person that I met in my support groups, left home at 18 or ran away from home prior, non of the allowed the abuse to watch their child.

Not that these examples prove murder, but it
does show her lies esculating when there is no necessity for it and she does it without regard even though she knows of the “accident”.

YES, it makes not only reasonable sense but absolute perfect sense that a person involved in an accidental death, would over the coarse of 3 years sitting in protective custody, blame a fake nanny who happens to be a real person with the same name who just happened to looked at the exact vacant apartment, blame the ex-boyfriend and his family, blame the meter reader, then come full circle to blame her mom & dad. That’s exactly what a person who is present at the time of an accidental death does.
NOW I too know exactly what the reasonable thing to do if my child dies accidentally, and if I dump his body in the woods with the trash I can save a lot of money on funeral costs. If my family and friends don’t understand…too bad, then they’re just a Huge Waste.

If it where a man defendant, with odd circumstantial evidence, he most likely would have been convicted….Oh yeah, he was…Scott Peterson.

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1. July 7, 2011
  
  NancyB
  
  Totally agree.
  
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July 6, 2011

kimpossible

Well, this is said if true. Look what our jury system has come to.

http://www.tmz.com/2011/07/06/casey-anthony-juror-paid-interviews-lawyer-trial-murder-child-caylee-anthony-network-money-jury/

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1. July 6, 2011
  
  Jocky
  
  go get em…$50K for the story is good by me. They deserve it after performing their civic duty and supporting the constitution of the US of A. It’ll be nothing compared to the $10-$20M that Casey will pull-in – providing:
  
  a) She gets good management
  b) Some god-bothering red-neck doesn’t shoot her dead
  
  couple of months at the Gym; Some Sun on that nasty pale skin; a good hairdo; Short Skirt; Sexy pair of Jimmy Choo’s…She’ll be TV gold. WESH 2 will have her doing the weather soon.
  
  I hear hugh hefner is looking for a new girlfriend.
  
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July 6, 2011

kimpossible

Link to very classy photo of Mason, defense lawyers across the country should be very proud.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1746290192058&set=o.117834368306000&type=1&theater

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July 6, 2011

kimpossible

The New Cynical Realist Me

After hours of deliberating with myself and re-reading all the posts, I have a new outlook on life and realized the error of my ways. I feel a new found freedom because I had originally thought I was a reasonable person but I’ve apparently been living my life all wrong. Please disregard any of my previous posts because they were baseless, pointless and without merit. My new attitude is win at all cost, the end justifies the means as long as me and my family come out on top, I will definately make sure my son learns that lesson too.

Of coarse, I now see I was mislead about the Prosecution being confident and passionate about their case, they were definately arrogant and Baez was absolutely brilliant. An accident that snowballed is definately a reasonable explanation for everything. The Prosecutors definately played on emotion, because not one should have emotion over the death of a child. The actions of Casey during the 31 days where only used to inflame the jury and was too prejudicial because no parent should have their actions questioned or used as evidence concerning their unreported missing/dead child. There’s no possible way a mother who wants to party in peace, would chloroform her child so they will quickly go to sleep . There’s no possible way a mother would place duct tape on her child’s face to keep her quiet. More importantly, there’s no mother who would kill their child so they could have a carefree, child free life…that has never happened.

I will never accept any forensic evidence ever again, not even DNA…did you know that there is a tiny percentage of people who are chimeric(they have 2 sets of DNA). I will never accept fingerprints, videos, computer searches,eye witnesses because there exists the possibility that it can all manipulated by LE, or used by others to frame someone. I will never rely on any circumstancial evidence because I’m sure I can come up with any alternative explanation the appears reasonable to me. I hope I’m called to Jury Duty, the scales of Justice is only a concept anyway.

I’ve come up with my own reasonable theory, because according to Baez, Casey is innocent. My theory to explain all the evidence is that there is actually a nanny named Zenaida who has an alias, and she kidnapped and threaten to kill Caylee unless Casey paid back stolen money. She instructed Casey to act normally while she held Caylee captive until Casey could pay up, but unfortunately Cindy butted in and put Caylee’s life in danger. Because Casey wasn’t working at Universal, the cops were angry and too lazy to vigorously look for Zanny, so they decided it was easier to fabricate evidence and pin it on Casey. The trash in the trunk really did smell like a dead body so that helped the cops immensely. Police discovered the chloroform computer search, fabricated more searches and decided to plant chloroform in her trunk. In the mean time, Zanny knows that Casey’s mom reported the missing child to police, so she doesn’t get caught she decides to kill Caylee and set up Casey. While the media & protestors are busy at the Anthony home, Zanny puts Caylee’s body complete with duct tape, in the woods with items she already had to stage the scene. Once the body was found, Casey knew that no one would ever believe the nanny story, so she had lie again, and use the pool accident defense in order to try to save her innocent butt. Small lies, not working at Universal and trying to keep her mother at bay in order to keep Caylee safe, has come around full circle ending up back at the beginning.

How’s that theory…sounds pretty reasonable huh?

The new cynical realist me says why even bother?

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July 7, 2011

Valhall

Mr. Hornsby,

I would like to sincerely express my gratitude to you for your assistance in guiding us through the legalities of this case. Your explanation of the intricacies of the law, and especially from a defense attorney’s viewpoint, have been invaluable.

Thank you so much.

Respectfully Submitted,
Val.

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1. July 8, 2011
  
  Richard Hornsby
  
  Anytime Val, all the best.
  
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July 7, 2011

Interested

Do you think Casey Anthony will be released secretly today? Someone mentioned July or August, and it is July.

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1. July 7, 2011
  
  Nick
  
  july 13
  
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July 7, 2011

Tracy

Who cares when Ms. Anthony is released. Pfffft!!!! As a parent, as a human being I am discouraged, appalled, shocked, offended, disgusted, horrified. But that’s life. As Casey Anthony and Jose Baez and company rake in the big money, I have to ask myself would it be worth it to me? Casey Anthony, IMO, is evil personified. Expect nothing less from her. I could consider that her defense team have sold themselves to the devil but must acknowledge that’s their job. The jury? I don’t get it. Life goes on. I’m still discouraged, appalled, shocked, offended, disgusted and horrified, but it’s beyond my control and I’m over it.

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July 7, 2011

Tracy

Who cares when Ms. Anthony is released. Pfffft!!!! As a parent, as a human being I am discouraged, appalled, shocked, offended, disgusted, horrified. But that’s life. As Casey Anthony and Jose Baez and company rake in the big money, I have to ask myself would it be worth it to me? Casey Anthony, IMO, is evil personified. Expect nothing less from her. I could consider that her defense team have sold themselves to the devil but also must acknowledge that’s their job. The jury? I don’t get it. Yet life goes on. I’m still discouraged, appalled, shocked, offended, disgusted and horrified about this tragic case but it’s beyond my control and I’m now over it.

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July 7, 2011

NancyB

This is OT but I wonder what all of you think about this. As everyone knows, trials are won or lost in jury selection. While I do think that Judge Perry is a stellar jurist, I believe that he rushed the jury selection process in a significant way. Because he is also the chief administrative judge his role and responsibilities encompass the financial constraints and considerations involved in the costs incurred with 2 weeks in Pinellas County. He also had to contend with the small window of time that he was allotted for use of their court room. Just as a comparable reference the Scott Peterson case took 11 weeks to seat the jury.

I do wonder why 4 members of Casey’s jury have criminal records. Why would they be selected by the Prosecution? I do remember that they were running out of jury pool candidates and also the time deadline was fast looming. I do not place any blame on the Prosecution because I think that they’re hands were tied. I do think that it was very unwise for Judge Perry to have such an arbitrary deadline fixed for this most all important process.

Here is the real Juror #3, she has a lot in common with Casey, they both like to write bad checks.
http://www.pcsoweb.com/InmateBooking/SubjectResults.aspx?id=1410423

Juror #3 said: “You can’t punish someone for something if you don’t know what they did.” “If someone gave us a piece of paper and put us in a room and told us to write down how Caylee died, we couldn’t do it.” “No one in America can say how she died.”

Juror #3, it was NOT YOUR JOB to PUNISH Casey Anthony. It WAS your JOB to LISTEN TO THE EVIDENCE and USE COMMON SENSE. YOU were not handing down PUNISHMENT in this phase. Did you skim over the words “Caylee is Dead” on the Juror Instruction sheet?

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1. July 7, 2011
  
  Nick
  
  you’ve been watching too much Nancy Grace. It’s very very clear that what she meant was guilty=punish. You’ve very conveniently taken punish=sentence.
  
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July 7, 2011

Michael G.

I wish people would stop comparing this case to scott pettersen and oj simpson. In both of those cases, there was reasonable and realistic motive and prosecution theory of the crime. In Scott Petersen the defense suggested that Laci Petersen was kidnapped by either a satanic cult or someone who allowed her to give birth to a kid and then killed them both(while the medical examiner did not determine cause of death it did find cracked ribs and other injuries). This would be a completely far fetched and moronic variation of “one armed man” from the “fugitive”. In scott peterson case, his mistress testified that he had planned to spend christams with her and that he “lost” his wife before his wife disappeared and was found dead. Premeditation in that case was not a far fetched construct. In OJ simpson case, there was no dispute that the victims were murdered.

In Casey Anthony case, the prosecution contended that she planned to kill a toddler 3 months in advance because she wanted to “party more”. She did not kill her back when she was an infant and she had a support structure and an active life (she had a fiancee and numerous boyfriends). It should be immediately obvious that one does not need chloroform or a 3 months conspiracy to kill a toddler. She could have simply used one of her hands and covered caylee’s mouth and nose and waited until caylee was dead. There was no cause of death AND no evidence of trauma to the body, no dna on the tape, the bag, no soil linking casey’s shoes to the forest where the body was deposited, no soil on the shovel, etc. According to Jeff Ashton, Casey Anthony (who barely graduated high school) was such a smart girl that she was able to create elaborate lies. She was so smart and such a diabolical killer that after planning her daughter’s murder for three months she did not plan what to do with the body? I mean, come on. The behavior of borrowing the shovel and then subsequently depositing the body in the forest would only confirm panic, and panic and premediated murder are not the best of friends.
And what exactly did Casey anthony gain from killing her daughter? Her friends and her relatives would not stop asking for caylee and her boyfriend at the time did not have a problem with her (and let’s face it she was an adorable kid). Hell, Jesse Grund loved caylee.

The prosecution theory of the crime in this case insults my intelligence.

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1. July 10, 2011
  
  kimpossible
  
  Prosecution theory did not insult my intelligence. Mothers, do and have killed their kids for a variety of reasons, even when mothers appear to be good(Susan Smith for example). The Prosecution motive was not just about partying, it was a variety of factors combined. Caylee was becoming more verbal which would soon expose the lies that Casey had so carefully created, the responsibilities of motherhood where conflicting with the social life she wanted to live (her friends were single, without kids, could travel and party at will). Also with the family being disfunctional and the grandparents working everyday, do you actually think they were/or wanted to be at Casey’s every whim to babysit while she went out to party… and that there would be no conflict between the grandparents and Casey over this?
  While I agree with you that the fact that Casey hurriedly dumped her daughter’s body in the woods, might indicate that it was paniced and not premeditated. There could be another explanation. Casey is an opportunist(shown by her lies and stealing), just because chloroform was looked up 3 months earlier does not mean that Casey had decided to kill at that time. If it was used to put Caylee to sleep more easily, over time Casey could have been fantasizing about how easy it would be just to put her daughter to sleep forever. Something someone said or did could have driven her to decide to do it (whether it be boyfriend, one of the parents, or even Caylee). Premeditation can be formed in seconds. It is easier to apply duct tape to a sleeping child and then just walk away for a time and come back to find her dead, than personally suffocating her with her own hands.
  Since the family buried their pets in the back yard (this info probably came from Casey herself since the defense used it) If Casey fantasized about killing her child, then she may have imagined that she would bury her in the backyard. When the deed was finally done, she quickly realized that digging a grave with a shovel was not going to be easy…that is when the panic would come in. She had to wrap up the body, put in the trunk and then figure out what to do. I think her jig was almost up with her dad & the gas can incident, she left quickly went around the corner and tossed the bag in the swampy woods. I think the bag tore/leaked as she hurriedly took it out of the trunk, leaving fluids which cased the smell that increasingly got worse.
  The circumstances of this case fit with homicide cover-up as opposed to an accident cover-up. I’ve been looking for any case/story involving an accident/cover up and I still haven’t found one. There is no need to cover up an accident.
  It wasn’t that Casey was extremely smart, she had time on her side. That’s why she asked her mother for one more day , maybe she would of fled then. At the time she had no rush to flee, her family didn’t know any of her new friends to be able to locate her. Cindy got lucky because the car was towed and Amy’s number had been in the car and Amy agreed to take her to Casey.
  
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  1. July 12, 2011
    
    MichaelG
    
    The problem with the case is that nothing can be definitively proved. Can you prove Casey dumped the body? No you can’t since nothing links her forensically to the woods. The ONLY user of the duct tape according to Cindy Anthony on the stand is GEORGE ANTHONY and he is also the ONLY user pictured on video with a poster in the background.
    You can speculate, surmise or draw inferences but you can’t prove casey dumped the body or placed the tape or even that the tape was the cause of death. Bear in mind the medical examiner could not determine cause of death which means the jury should not be able to either, to do otherwise is to create higher level of precision than the evidence allows for.
    
    Do you really believe George and Cindy did not know what Casey was doing? Baez mocked those “imaginary friends” that had a tendency to die in horrible car crashes or from cancer. Of course her parents knew she did not work, the only reason they did not kick her out of the house is because of that kid if she killed the kid they would have no reason to keep her.
    
    According to the prosecution she killed her, tried to bury her in the backyard then drove around for a few days then dumped her in the forest. A premediated murderer would have dumped her body the same day which is not what happened according to even the prosecution.
    
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July 8, 2011

Aliza

I agree wholeheartedly that it doesn’t look like premeditated murder. But who is covering up an accident to make it look like a homicide? It’s usually the other way around.

One thing is established without doubt – Casey Anthony has no conscience and no empathy. Only person without conscience and empathy can watch her parents suffering for months along with hundreds strangers looking for Caylee. As a psychologist I am aware of phenomenon of denial and could be that it was her coping mechanism with what happened. This would explain why she was keeping the body in the trunk for days – certainly it wasn’t rational. BUT – at certain point unless she was psychotic the reality should break through and she could no longer deny – then we would see Casey broken down etc. To watch everybody looking for her daughter and not say anything – is a show of a really cold blood.

We also know for sure that she had no love or respect for her little treasure.
Harsh words, but let’s think straight for a moment – dumping body in a swamp to save my butt is not really expression of love and respect. This is utmost selfishness and murder doesn’t have to be proved to see clearly that she was thinking only about herself.

My guess is that Caylee was killed in a fit of narcissistic rage. It was obvious that it wasn’t accident (for instance there were bruises on her body) so mother had to hide the body and was buying herself time with all this lies. She was hoping that body would never be found. As for defense strategy though it seemed ludicrous I understand that they had to explain somehow traces of human decomposition in the trunk – that’s how the whole idea of drowning incident came up.

If she will become celebrity she would be horrendous epitome of the fall of Western civilization. But surely she would rather keep a low profile now. Almighty knows what happened and she will be judged when the time comes.

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1. July 9, 2011
  
  paljoey21
  
  Aliza
  July 8, 2011 at 9:07 am
  
  Your comment was so very interesting……I so hope you will make more comments I thoroughly was very interested in reading your article about Casey and what might come
  
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July 9, 2011

Joey Vacirca

NancyB
July 7, 2011 at 6:48 pm
………………Thank you so very much for that comment……….you were able to speak for me………I am still sooo very angry at the jury….your comments were right on……………especially with her criminal background…she saw a mirror of herself when looking at Casey right across from her….thinking that could be her on that side………..Now she is on TV and grabbing all the money she can…….don’t have to write any bad checks now!!

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July 11, 2011

kimpossible

I have been searching the internet for any case or news story (other than this one), where a parent or anyone has covered up an accidental death. Does anyone know of one? Please let me know if you do, I have yet to find one.

I’ve found cases of a parent killing their child and claiming the death was some type of accident(child falling, child hitting their head). I’ve found cases of a parent killing their child and claiming their child was abducted. I’ve found cases where a parent killed their child(smothering) and claimed the child just stopped breathing (SIDs).

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July 17, 2011

ramen

LOVED, LOVED, LOVED this one:
8. Cheney Mason is so close to death, blow flies are circling over his head.
ROTFLMAO
good one Richard ^5

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