Some would say that Casey Anthony got away with murder, personally I think she’s getting away with Lying and Check Fraud…
The Check Fraud Case
On January 25, 2010 Casey Anthony pled guilty to 13 counts of check fraud. As a result of her guilty plea, the Honorable Judge Stan Strickland adjudicated her guilty on six of the felonies, withheld adjudication of guilt on the other seven, and sentenced her to 412 days in jail as credit for the time she previously served to be followed by one year of supervised probation.
The 412 days was based upon the amount of time between her arrest and the date of her plea.
Importantly, as will be explained, Ms. Anthony has yet to be released from the Orange County Jail to actually serve her one year of probation, as she was also being held in the Orange County Jail on another, more serious case.
The More Serious Case
On July 5, 2011 Ms. Anthony was acquitted of the most serious crimes she was charged with and was instead, only found guilty of four First Degree Misdemeanor counts of Lying to a Law Enforcement Officer during the Course of an Investigation. Based upon the jury’s verdict, the maximum sentence Ms. Anthony could receive was four years in the Orange County Jail and $4,000 in fines. The Very Honorable Judge Belvin Perry set off sentencing until July 7, 2011.
A Serious Sentence for a Serious Case
On July 7, 2011 The Very Honorable Judge Belvin Perry sentenced Ms. Anthony to consecutive sentences of one year in the county jail with credit for 1,043 days already served in the Orange County Jail awaiting trial. In addition, he imposed a fine of $1,000 on each count. The resulting sentence totaled four years in the Orange County Jail and $4,000 in fines, which on paper, looks to be the maximum possible sentence The Very Honorable Judge Belvin Perry could have handed down.
But Casey, We Were Just Getting to Know You!
About an hour later, Orange County Corrections announced that after taking into account the 1,043 days credit for time served, as well as good time and gain time, Ms. Anthony would be released from the Orange County Jail by Sunday, July 17, 2011.
Later that same day, Orange County Sheriff Jerry Demings released a statement haling the Very Honorable “Judge Belvin Perry, Jr. for giving the maximum sentence allowable under the law.”
And to Think, We Could Have Spent More Time Together…
There is only one problem, it was not the maximum sentence allowable under the law.
Rather, the maximum sentence allowable under the law would have been for The Very Honorable Judge Belvin Perry to have sentenced Ms. Anthony to consecutive sentences of one year in the county jail with credit for 631 days already served in the Orange County Jail awaiting trial.
But how can that be you say! She has been in jail for 1,043 days, not 631?
Under Florida law, a judge is not required to give a defendant credit for time previously served on unrelated sentences while awaiting trial. See Jackson v. State, 23 So. 3d 853 (Fla. 2d DCA 2009) (“Where a defendant is held to answer for numerous charges, he is not entitled to have his jail time credit pyramided by being given credit on each sentence for the full time he spends in jail awaiting disposition of multiple charges or cases.”); See also Hardenbrook v. State, 953 So. 2d 717 (Fla. 1st DCA 2007).
What this means is that the Very Honorable Judge Belvin Perry had the authority to deny Ms. Anthony credit for 412 of the 1,043 days he credited her with previously serving, as that time had been credited to her already by the Honorable Stan Strickland on the Check Fraud Charges.
If the Very Honorable Judge Belvin Perry had exercised his judicial discretion to do so, Ms. Anthony would likely be spending at least 9 more months in the Orange County Jail after taking into account good time and gain time.
There Are No Do-Overs
And before you ask, I am sorry to say it is too late for the State to request a rehearing. The case law is crystal clear; once a sentence is imposed, it can not be modified to the detriment of the defendant. See Stang v. State, 24 So. 3d 566, 570 (Fla. 2d DCA 2009) (“The Courts have repeatedly held that a trial court may not rescind jail credit that was previously awarded, even if the initial award was improper, because such an action violates double jeopardy.”)
Well, She Still Has One Year of Felony Probation…
Luckily for us, Ms. Anthony does still has one year of felony probation to serve on her Check Fraud convictions…. Hold on, wait a sec, what’s that?
Beth Karas on Prime News with Vinnie Politan is reporting that Cheney Mason claims:
“Ms. Anthony has served her probation (while in jail) and when she leaves on Wednesday she is a free agent, can go anywhere she wants…”
Now looka, I say looka here son; maybe that Mason fella just might be on to something. According to a January 29, 2010 article by the Orlando Sentinel, Ms. Anthony’s probation was scheduled to end on January 24, 2011 … Ruh, Ro! That was six months ago…
Please, Say it Ain’t So…
It ain’t so, or at least it shouldn’t be.
This is because Florida law is very clear that Ms. Anthony’s probationary period was tolled while she was incarcerated awaiting trial on that serious case we discussed earlier. See Bradley v. State, 721 So. 2d 775 (Fla. 5th DCA 1998) (Finding the defendant’s “term of state supervision was tolled during period defendant was incarcerated on an unrelated case.”); See also Brooks v. State, 762 So. 2d 1011 (Fla. 5th DCA 2000) (Defendant “erroneously contends that he completed his split sentence while incarcerated before he began his probation. He cannot have successfully completed a split sentence if he never served the probationary part, even when the sentence is a “true split” sentence. Additionally, because he was incarcerated on another offense at the time he was released from the custodial portion of his sentence in this case, defendant’s probation was tolled until he was paroled in his other case.”) See also Schurman v. State, 847 So. 2d 569 (Fla. 1st DCA 2003) (“Although the incarcerative portion of his sentence in Case No. 93-202 may have expired prior to his release from prison in May 1998, the probationary portion of that sentence was tolled while he remained in prison on other sentences, and it did not begin to run until appellant was released in May 1998. Therefore, his probationary sentence in Case No. 93-202 was [still] in effect upon his release.”)
Finally, it is worth pointing out that the fundamental reasoning behind this line of cases is that “the underlying concept of probation is rehabilitation rather than punishment and presupposes the fact that probationer is not in prison confinement.” Hatton v. State, 689 So. 2d 1195 (Fla. 4th DCA 1997)
The Law is Only the Law
Notably, the Florida Department of Corrections Offender Lookup website no longer lists Casey Anthony as a probationer, which means they agree with Mr. Mason’s interpretation.
So while the law may say Casey Anthony should still be on one year of felony probation when she is released, the law “don’t mean a hill of beans” if neither the State or the defendant follow the law.
A Final Single Finger Salute to J. Cheney Mason
Finally, I wanted to give a single finger salute to J. Cheney Mason. During Mr. Mason’s (very deserved) victory speech, he declared:
“Bias and prejudice and incompetent ‘talking heads’ saying what would be and how to be — I’m disgusted by some of the lawyers that have done this. I can tell you that my colleagues from coast to coast and border to border have condemned this whole process of lawyers getting on television and talking about cases they don’t know a damn thing about.”
Mr. Mason ended that sissy fit with a proclamation that the “talking heads” would be hearing from him and his team.
The following day I received several phone calls from various sources and reporters who indicated that J. Cheney Mason had, in fact, not been sleeping through most of Ms. Anthony’s trial as we all suspected.
Rather he had actually spent that time compiling a list of “talking head” attorneys that he was going to go after, alleging either defamation or violation of the Florida Rules of Professional Conduct.
I was allegedly confirmed to be one of those “talking head” attorneys.
Well J. Cheney Mason, I have only one response to that.
Call me, I’m waiting…
Cheney, my office number is (407) 540-1551, so instead of cornering reporters and brow beating them for quoting me, feel free to pick up the phone like a man and call me whenever you “want to talk” about what has gotten your boots so tight.
But since I doubt you would ever do that, here are four other suggestions for you to consider:
- Brush up on the word Hypocrite.
- Review your own commentary about Jose Baez and Ms. Anthony’s case.
- “You can pretty well predict there’s going to be a life sentence, either a plea and get it over with or have a circus trial and then be convicted and get life.” – J. Cheney Mason (12/12/2008)
- “Then all the talking, all the press interviews and the parents going on this show and that show and the lawyer [Jose Baez] going on different shows establishes they have no credibility whatsoever.” – J. Cheney Mason (12/12/2008)
- Read this little gem on the First Amendment.
- Sit on this and rotate 🙂
230 responses to “For Whom the Sentences Toll”
I read your post on Websleuths about this. Are you saying that you think she should have had her sentences run consecutive to the Check charges?
Why?
From what I understand it is very rare for the four misdemeanours on the lying to law enforcement to be run consecutive and at one year a piece. The “talking heads” (love the term) say that if it was any other defendant this wouldn’t happen. To go and run those sentences consecutive to the check fraud cases would be exceptional, surely?
No, I agree she should have just been given time served. My point is either be a hard ass or don’t. Instead, he imposed a sentence without announcing the credit for time served. Thus the issue could not be vetted on TV by us “talking heads.”
If it had been vetted, us talking heads would have pointed out that he did not have to credit her with the full 1,000 plus days. Meaning she could have actually gotten a more harsh sentence.
Personally, I bet Judge Perry had pressure by the jail to get her out, so this allowed him to save face, but still appear tough. I am not saying I blame him, just that the fix was clearly in from the get go, as the State did not even raise a peep.
Ohhh, thanks for explaining this. Disappointing. I did think that it was quite odd that he had not had the jail calculate the good time, gain time in advance of the sentencing. Now I get it. One more thing, what is gain time?
Your blog will now and forever be on my “must read” list. Thank you for this enlightening yet entertaining piece. I needed it to calm my nerves. I stupidly became emotionally involved in a case that took place several states away. Your perspective has been amazing. Thanks!
I love you Richard you are so funny
Now plank that counter again
Richard your blog post is BRILLIANT….as always!!!
While you are giving Cheney Mason the “one finger” salute, give him one for me while you’re at it!
Boy, I say boy, you are darned good at spoutin’ off them thar legal terms!!! LOL
Thank you. I dont know how all this happened but your posts seem help calm me.
OMG!!!!! ROTFLMAO
Gasbag Cheney lives in the proverbial GLASS HOUSE! Think the “House of Cards” are going deal a trumped hand. IMO the DT has some swift karma coming that’s long overdue.
Great piece, written like a true smart ass! Go get em!
Richard, I hear you are one excellent attorney, but you are an even BETTER comedian!! I kept a page open to your twitter posts throughout the last weeks of the trial, and can’t tell you how many times I cracked up!! My husband HATED that I followed this case, but when he came home from work, I’d read some of your twitter posts to him, and even he had to admit – now THAT’S pretty funny.. (LDB’s closing argument being the new ‘rabbit’ and the simultaneous orgasm enjoyed by all women 50+…so hysterical, and I’m nowhere near 50!)
Thanks for this little pearl of a post too! I love that you see Mason as the out of date windbag he is. The invitation extended to him is nothing short of brilliant.. Just when I thought he couldn’t be more of a jerk, he’d surprise us again..
This post made me feel a little better about the outcome. Thanks for keeping me laughing these last few weeks!
Thanks, Richard!
Thank you! Loved your thoughts on CA. Please let us know if you hear from Cheney Mason
Richard, you sound pretty bitter and petty. So you disparage Mason for acting the way HE did and then you go and end what started as a decent blog with the same childish behavior? Based on the heading on this page, I assume you are a criminal defense atty since if you were on the other side of the fence, it would say criminal prosecutor. So, another assumption I am making is that you’re pissed that Cheney and Baez won this case and subsequently should see their practices booming in the crime ridden state of Florida.
It’s too bad, because you make some interesting and valid points and then go and completely negate your credibility by getting into a personal attack on Mason.
I am not pissed at all about the verdict. I tip my hat to Jose Baez and after achieving what can only be described as one of the greatest defense verdicts in American criminal jurisprudence, he deserves all the business he gets. As for Mr. Mason, he already announced he is retiring after he finishes his last few cases.
So are you now saying that Baez is a good attorney? Personally, I just think that he lucked out with an idiot jurywho just did not go through all of the evidence. You even have juror number 3 making statements like how could they decide her punishment when they couold not decide how she died. Would you let Baez defend you Richard?
I disagree with the verdict (on manslaughter) and the process, or lack there of, at arriving at their decision, based on some jury comments, but it is what it is. I don’t want to hear from any of them: oh please let them go quietly into the night and back to their lives. This win had less to do with attorney brilliance and more to do with the jury selected, in my opinion.
Regardless, you were one of the better commenters. Since you have a dry wit and you weren’t flamboyant or loud on HLN, they opted instead for those who more resemble the ‘talent’; screamers or flagrantly aggressive people (minus Tennis, Judge Alex and a scant few others). It’s unbelievable that they had Seidlen on. Something is not quite right there, ahem.
Maybe you should have planked between Padilla and Politan for a spot on the show, lol.
Anyway, now that Perry has completely petered and wimped out, all around, and the defense won, there’s probably zero possibility of Baez seeing any ramifications like contempt charges, right? And why would he care, he’ll be on Telemundo now, or worse, HLN: do you think he will even continue to practice law (and I mean *practice* literally)?
Love, love, love your blogs! Wish I could watch him spinning …keep up with your brilliant perspectives and sharing them with us. You’re the bright spot in Orlando where it’s been pretty gloomy!
“Now looka, I say looka here son”…….ROFLMAO!!!! hahaha You Are The BEST!! This blog really gave me a moment of peace and for this i thank you! After all the hype about him…I never was impressed with FHLH’s performance, just sayin! A BIG FAN IN INDIANA 😉
BTW I hope cheney does go after Nancy Grace with her hate filled rants
Yep, hope he breaks his finger getting to her
Chaney Mason is pompous and let him take Casey in..Jose can let her be his Nanny…NaNcy Grace gets it RIGHT!
Liz, what you just said sounded like a hate-filled rant.
Surprisingly, it was kind of a sober interview, and not her standard over the top serving:
Nancy Grace on Her Casey Anthony Coverage: ‘I Know That A Lot of People Hate Me’
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/nancy-crace-her-casey-anthony-208945
I have to admit that I say this because, oddly, I do share her opinion about the jury selected.
Sort of off topic, but:
The Lighter the Skin, the Shorter the Prison Term?
A recent study of women convicted of crimes shows that dark-complexioned blacks serve more time in jail.
https://www.theroot.com/the-lighter-the-skin-the-shorter-the-prison-term-1790864659
Tell me something I dont know. Its obvious. That is not justice. Casey;s looks had much to do with her verdict, let’s face it.
Nullified by the fact that she had 2 African-Americans, one of both genders, on the jury of 12, making it about 17% of the jurors. Too bad it the jurors weren’t culled from a more family-oriented area such as Miami-Dade Co. jmho’s
What a fun and entertaining piece. Very informative. I unfortuneately had not read any of your writings during the trial and wish I had as you have a way of hilariously keeping things in perspective. And by the way, I wonder just how many one finger salutes were given to Mr. Mason as he deserves them all. Keep writing I will keep reading.
In Mr. Mason’s defense, some of us “talking heads” deserved it as well, myself included.
It is nice to see a lawyer explaining things clearly and be self-deprecating as well! I thought all the lawyers on HLN did their job well (even Linda Kinney Baden who gives me a headache with her voice and nightmares with that hair) and think Mason needs to give it a rest and just realize they won (also, would he go after LKB or only the lawyers who were pro-prosecution)….And I would like to go after him for comparing himself to Atticus Finch…ugh, thanks for ruining a beloved book for me Cheney. I’m also confused by jury’s verdict, I was very open minded and saw good points raised by defense but c’mon!! I guess I’m just a gal that doesn’t look at “New Science” as “junk”, I’m a nerd like Dr. Vass.
Richard, PLEEEASE file a bar complaint against Foghorn for his unprofessional “finger of affection” photo op!
I think he had every right to do it.
Actually, doing so in a public arena is professional misconduct for a lawyer (3 siblings including 1 Juve Ct Judge), & also is known as “assault”.
What about his other “gesture”? Or did that not count against him since it wasn’t caught on tape??
I have a question that has really been bothering me. Reward Money. There was a reward for finding Caylee. It was a substantial amount, although I don’t know exactly the sum. What happened to the money? Mr. Kronk wasn’t given the money, was it only for a live Caylee? Did it go to her defense? How would I find out? Obviously, obviously Mr. Baez knew where Caylee’s body had been placed, according to his account of Caylee’s death. Did he use the reward monies to defend her and can he be held accountable for withholding that information. To me he was aware and wanted her to decompose so there was little or no evidence to her means of death.
Like most people, I was devastated by the outcome of this trial. Watched from beginning to end and I too was furious at the jury. But watching “juror # 3” talk about the Prosecution “not connecting the dots”, I was like “are you kidding me” and then I began to wonder WHY? With the age of technology, specifically “texting” most people have come to live with “fragmented” conversations. People have “adapted” themselves to hear only specific details that they need to function and all other information is lost or disregarded.
I thought Jeff Aston and LDB put on excellent closing arguements. A complete story and time line about what happened to this child and who was responsible for her death. If you listened to the story, one could easily determine the 5 “H”s and connect those dots. Using a little common sense in deliberation would have rendered a different verdict. But the jury only heard “fragmented” parts of their story and connecting the dots was impossible for them.
By the same token, Jose Biaz, “fragmented” his closing arguements. Gave out small quantites of information before jumping to the next and not in any sequential order. This type of arguement the jury could understand and came up with the decision they did.
I guess it’s the only explaination I could figure out why this turned out to be the travesty it did.
If I ever need a criminal attorney, and God knows I have killed in my mind, I sure hope to be able to hire you. Even if I was convicted, your invincible wit would keep me laughing all the way to the gurney.
could the judge have overuled the jury’s verdict. i have heard this in the past and was just wondering.
Not as to the Not Guilty verdicts, but he could have overruled the guilty verdicts on the misdemeanors (but I have a feeling that is not what you wanted).
If I were ever in need of an attorney in the state of Florida, YOU are the one I would want on my side. And if you get a chance to pluck that crusty old rooster be sure to have his tail feathers made into a duster… He seems to like being in the dirt.
Personally, I am so sick of this case. It’s over guys. The verdict is in. There is nothing we can do to change it. I am a firm believer that what goes around comes around. And I hope that little girl lives in her nightmares each and every night of her life. I hope the sound of her beautiful voice haunts her every single day of her life. The burden of proof was on the State of Florida and they weren’t able to prove their case. Most honestly, I am not too sure if any of use wouldn’t have found her not guilty if we didn’t follow the case and were only allowed to hear bits and pieces in court. I think we are being unfair to the jury most of all! They were chosen by both the prosecution and defense.
It’s a sad situation but there are other cases of children who have died at the hands of their parents and will never see this kind of media attention.
The answer to your general question is a person gets good and gain time regardless of where they serve their sentence.
Mr.Hornsby there is no gain time in the federal prison, do yo know why?
I say…I say…I say dear sir, you got moxy!!!! You are my new hero!!!!
You rock.
WOW Richard…awesome…nuff said…
yes ocj does have that so u cant get credit.
Thank you. Mr. “the media disgusts me enough to salute them with my crooked middle finger” is, guess what? All over the media this morning.
Mason disgusts me. In my opinion, having sat through 2 murder trials for the men who killed my sister (Death Penalty trials), I have first hand account of what fair trials look like. Adequate defense. These high profile trials have turned in to circuses due to the likes of Mason and Baez–winning at all costs, throwing out preposterous unsupported theories, attacking grieving family members, stretch as far away from any semblance of TRUTH possible to just accomplish one thing: win. Somehow I don’t think that’s what the drafters of our Constitution had in mind with “fairness”.
I don’t think had John Wilkes Booth gone to trial, and Abe Lincoln’s own wife was thrown up as “the real killer” to try and convince a jury of his innocence or that Wilkes was being raped by his own father to try and confuse the jury of his crimes, this would have gone over too well then.
Why is it ok now? Really, why is this unconscienable behavior ok? Why? And in some cases, applauded? Celebrated? Dancing? Champagne? Really?
I swear to God, I felt like the day that verdict came down that I was watching a remake of the movie The Devils Advocate. Evil winning, celebrating, hoodwinking …and yes, flipping the bird at Truth.
Anyway, thanks for this blog.
Well said Mr Hornsby! Why is it that the ones who profess to defend the Constitution are always the first to complain about those that speak out and report the truth? Cheney is nothing but a HYPOCRITE!
Thank you for speaking the truth with common sense and knowledge of the law.
Cynthia
I think the Judge knows just what he’s doing. In the absence of a guilty verdict on the murder/manslaughter charges, the sooner she gets out of prison, the sooner her street sentence will begin. No more free room, board, and government protection. Here is a defendant who will never be truly free in that she will have to look over her shoulder for the rest of her life. Sure she will relocate and have body guards, and she’ll make new friends from “supporters”; but who can really be trusted? Even if she lives in a cave, she will likely eventually encounter someone who’s smarter or crazier than she is. It’s a cruel world; even more so when you have made so many enemies.
Mr. Hornsby, how crazy is it that Mr. Mason wants to go after all of you when he did the exact same thing??! I am stunned, but I know I shouldn’t be after this mess of a case.
We, the normal, non-lawyer people out here in the real world need people like you to clear things up for us, to answer our questions, and to keep us informed of the law. What is wrong with doing that? Since when is educating others a “bad thing?”
I thought I heard somewhere that Mr. Mason was getting ready to retire. He needs to so that he can stay home and babysit Casey.
Well, I would say that having a jury that was uneducated in the laws worked pretty well for them. I guess they preferred no one learn anything. I don’t want to go too far into what I think of the verdict because I don’t want to get carried away and say too much. Richard, thank you for everything you have done to answer questions and keep us all informed throughout this case. I learned a lot and was entertained by your wit at the same time. I will stay tuned in to see if you get sued for using your First Amendment rights… it will be fun to watch you educate foghorn leghorn.
J. Cheney Mason is an absolute tool. Nothing he says or does surprises me anymore.
i have two questions that cant seem to be answered was hoping you may be able to address them. first, how could casey be found guilt on 4 counts or lying to police about the very same crime she was was not guilt for and second, if the defenses therory was that it was an accident that snowballed out of control which they stated in opening and closing statements, how could she not be found guilty for child abuse – manslaugter, it makes no sense to me, she is the mother who is ultimately responsible for the life and death of her minor child, regardless of who else they contend may had anything to do with it. i understand the jury had questions about the how, why, when, where…BUT, she never reported anything. The major instruction to the jury is BEYOND a reasonable doubt, meaning ok, reasonable doubt, put the peices together, if the evidence is BEYOND my reasonable doubt…If i had a car ACCIDENT with you then left, hid, lied about it, blamed it on everyone else, never reported it, that ACCIDENT then becomes a crime. how can people not put two and two together? Thank you for any feed back
If Zenida Gonzales wins her lawsuit and is awarded millions (which I hope she is) and Casey makes millions off of her daughters death, will she have to pay most of it to all the people filing lawsuits? I think she’s in love with Jose Baez and will have trouble being away from him. Also, if the jury was in cahoots from the beginning, say they decided they would make more money finding her not guilty. I think they decided this from day, that’s why they didn’t look at the evidence would this make a difference if it can be proven?
I read somewhere that it’s not allowed (illegal; unethical?) for the lawyers in opening statements to make claims that they will not present evidence for in the trial. Specifically, Mr. Baez playing the sleazy ‘molest card.’
I heard this explained away that he planed to have Casey testify about that, but as the trial progressed, he decided not to put her on the stand, thus he’s cleared of wrong doing.
Is this a common ploy in trials? Is Baez really smart and corrupt enough to plant this foul seed, knowing he would only mention it in opening arguments?
Mr. Hornsby, you are a clever writer, which I greatly admire. I wasted most of my Summer watching Casey use her Get-Out-of-Jail-Free card, for it all to come to this. Old wannabe Samuel Clemens should shut the heck up and go back into whatever fugue he came out of for a few. My contempt for all the actors in that miserable little play put on my the defense is inexpressible, and will be long lasting. I don’t “move on” from outrages like this ‘not guilty’ verdict easily. If anyone should write a book on this subject it is you. Maybe you will. I will keep an eye out. In the meantime, kick Mason to the curb.
Thank you Mr. Hornsbey, WOW, reading that made me feel so good this morning. Chenney and Bozo couldn’t hold a candle to you. I’m still hoping one of those great Florida Lawyers, i.e. Mr. NeJames sues the pants off of the Anthony’s on behalf of “TEXAS EQUISEARCH”, now that would be a headline story. All that time and money wasted on a no good lying family. I’m from Colorado, and Balloon Boy’s Family had to pay for there little stunt in this state, which by the way, I believe that relocated to the State of Florida. Something in the water I guess. Thanx again for an enlightening read!
Maggie,
I think Texas Equisearch might only have a possible claim for the amount it cost them to travel to Florida to meet with the Anthonys. While I don’t know if Tim Miller initially believed the kidnnapping story or not, the child was already missing well over 31 days by the time he arrived and it is not unreasonable to think that if there was a kidnapping, child abductors frequently kill and disregard the bodies of their victims. Texas Equisearch usually searches for the bodies of victims. Cindy did not want to hear any of this, she only wanted people to look for a live Caylee. Tim Miller was quickly told to leave. Tim Miller was acting on good faith and a National Public Plea by the family to look for Caylee, so I really don’t know but I hope he will consider all options.
If I remember correctly, it was the Orange County Sherriff’s Dept. that asked him to stay to help organize and conduct a search. So maybe Texas Equisearch could be deemed as an investigative tool/agent used by Orange County Investigators and Prosecutors could try to recoup some of the costs for them, but I don’t know if that could work either, because Tim Miller used his own money and was most likely not paid anything by the Sherriff’s Dept.
Seems you can sue anyone for anything nowdays, I wonder if any of the search volunteers are considering filing one against Casey?
OMG you are hilarious! Seems Mason can take that middle finger & explain it to the Fla. Bar! LOL! Mason, imo, is a blo hard & full of himself, he & Lippman need to SHUT UP!
Baez, continues to be a moron, SIGNED ON for someone to peddal his bullshit for $$$ for book deals, etc. & THEY REFUSE to represent him today! You gotta love it, KC has had a PORN MOVIE offer rescinded! Maybe Geraldo can pimp for Baez, his buddy!
Richard, is it possible Linda Brians Burdick can MAKE KC pay restitution for monies spent chasing her lies?
art tart, don’t you just love it! Him! Richard! After reading this article I threw my tissues away, and have been smiling ever since!
Now looka, I say looka here son; You are right, and very entertaining. Thanks for the information and the chuckle:)
Richard, I hate to go all “Mrs. Robinson” on ya but this post has made me fall madly, passionately, deeply in love with you. Don’t worry. You’re safe. I live on the other coast. 🙂
It happens.
At least ya got a booty call out of it 🙂
lol…really? I think that’s pretty funny someone is in love with you (Richard)over these comments?! hum?:)Wow, you got it going on then. JK
Okay, so I have read a lot of the comments, but my only comment is how sad that she wasn’t charged with neglect. Really and why was she not charged with that at any point and time?
I also think there is never a time for rude behavior because that secretary represents you, it is not professional it takes away from your business.
I am with you Betty, I am way way north, he is still safe.
Amen!!!
It can’t be this cut and dried. OK, she got away with murder, but Surely since the defense changed their story to accident, Casey had to break other laws.
Not reporting a death
Not reporting someone else disposed of a body
Concealment of a body
Disposing of a body
Aiding and abetting (George)
Everyone is going to get paid from casey’s case ,jurors, defense lawyers, prosecutors, etc. Matth 16:26 says “For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul? The judge should order Caseyl proceeds to go to missing children agency. Make sure her butt is stinking broke and in debt.
Are you the same Hornsby that posted recorded phone calls between inmates on Websleuths and asked them to help you go thru hours of conversations? And, the same Hornsby that posted Detective Yuri Melich lied or fabricated evidence in this case? Or, did someone miss quote you or take something you said out of context on websleuths.com?
I am he.
Melich fabricate evidence? When was this?
Richard,
Do you still believe that Melich fabricated evidence and if so, in reference to what? I’ve never heard about this before. And I love this post!
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the above post is really an APPROVED comment? geez….
Richard,
Being a psychopath, Casey Anthony does not have the ability to “feel” remorse. She will continue her psychopathic behavior once she is back
in society. Depending on what HER needs are…money, vengence, anger,
someone to blame etc…it is very, very likely that she will kill again down
the line. As Profiler Pat Brown said: “Like a viper she will strike again unless
she is caged, or put down.”
Florida now has a KILLER on the loose! She is very much like Ted Bundy, and will prolly kill again!
You said it right! I can’t believe the jury turned their back on deliberating! I am sickened…it is disgusting, pathetic that a killer Casey Anthony is let out free! Shame on the jury, shame on Baez and his lies, antic of making up a story of molestation by the hand of George and Lee. How unethical on the defense team! They should be banned from making any $$$ from this despicable
pathetic case!
Thank you Mr. Hornsby for being so generous with your time, explaining the legal ins and outs. I love your writing style,wit, and that you take the time to include case laws to support your opinions. I feel very fortunate that I discovered your site and I hope that you will continue writing about other complex cases. I will continue to check your site regularly for any new and informative posts.
If Casey, intentionally or negligently by a criminal act , caused the death of her daughter, she would not be the first person to get away with a crime. I think it’s more important to realize there are still some truely innocent people who are incarcerated, these people are still trying to find ways to get their stories heard.
At least with Casey’s release, she can possibly earn some significant money to pay her fines and hopefully Orange County can recoup some of the investigation costs. Then she could pay her back taxes, and then contribute paying new taxes on her earnings. And lets not forget the Zenaida Gonzalez who has filed suit against her, hopefully that will hit Casey’s purse hard. Possibly other suits will be filed by other individuals, keeping Casey and her money tied up in the legal system for years.
The one thing that seems consistant, is History tends to repeat itself. Criminals tend to repeat criminal behaviors and people in general are creatures of habit, keeping the defense attorney very busy.
Mr. Hornsby, I admire your faith in the Constitution, especially The First Amendment.
Excellent, Richard. JCMason’s actions are just another reason why lawyers have such a crummy image.
In our legal system, the public’s media commentaries are not what convicts a person….juries do. This case proves it, Casey was not convicted of murder.
Due to freedom of speech, legitimate journalist, illegimate journalists, general public can voice/express/analyze their opinions on a variety of events, just as you are doing on here. Also you can blame Florida’s Sunshine Laws (Discovery Law) for all the released documents concerning this case. Want to commit a high profile crime, don’t do it in Florida.
The journalists or public did nothing wrong obtaining information and reporting/commenting on it. The documents where also available and posted on the internet, so the general public can also take the time to read each of them and listen to actual police interviews for themselves(which I did) instead of being a robot and just accepting what you hear on shows such as Nancy Grace. It is each person’s own responsibility to try to verify information and form one’s own opinion, instead on relying soley on what someone tells you.
Just one thing on what you wrote about the duct tape, which seems you accepted Baez’s statement. So…Casey didn’t have access to things inside the house/garage? A house that she had a key to? A house that contained her belongings as well as her parents? A house/garage she came back to when her parents were at work, during the 31 days? So the only things Casey would ever steal from the home/garage/shed is gas cans, checks, and credit cards? So it is your opinion Casey did not have any opporitunity to take laundry bag, trash bags, baby blanket or even duct tape? Only George had any access to any of these things? And this is based on what? Mr. Baez’s opening statement and a photo. Yep, I guess George always carries the Henkel roll of duct tape on his person every single day, at all times. Just saying, see how you based your opinion.
Here’s what I don’t understand. Miss Anthony was booked on the subject charges on 10/14/08. Having credit for time served of 1043 makes sense to me. What I don’t understand is: four years equals 1460 days. 1460 days minus 1043 days leaves 417 days. How is she supposedly being release on 7/17? I thought “Ok, maybe that 1043 days is BEFORE gain time” (which doesn’t sound right but let’s try this). Calculating in Orange County Corrections’ gain time policy (5 days per 30) ON TOP of the 1043 total she’s supposed to have only been credited adds up to 1208 days (1043 + 165 days). 1460 (4 years) minus 1208 days 252 days. Now I’ve heard some people say “well since she was in protective cutody, she get’s double gain time”. Fine. 1460 (4 years) minus 1043 minus 165 minus 165 is still 87 days from sentencing. I’m not understanding how this release date can be accurate by the facts or even any stretch of the imagination. Please tell me what I’m missing here.
I’ll bet there’s a lot of prisoners who’d like that math.
Richard, thank you. Please don’t ever sell out. I like you just the way you are.
Wonderful blog! Just found it and glad I did! I like the single finger salute to our favorite suthrn gentlmn. Have you seen any of his interview on TruTV today? He’s as phony as a $3 bill!
I’m Canadian and I expect you will be disinterested in my comments, however,
Since they first said the releas date would be July 13′ then changed it to July 17.
Therefore, why can they not change it again? It’s just a correction is it not.
Judge Belvin Perry could make that correction hopefully! Oops i goofed.
Thanks for your blog, it’s very informative.
I would like to know one thing more in regard to Casey’s upcoming freedom.
Her defense has hinted at, she will relocate maybe even leave the country.
Okay, please explain to me where did she acquire the financial means to do so?
Did Jose’ sack away some of that 1/4 mil from ABC?
How many leave jail after 3 years and have the bucks to go to McDonald’s, much less relocate?
We the tax payers paid for this persons defense, Jose stood in court just days ago and said we still have to pay for her if she appeals her sentence.
Again we ask, why?
How many inmates in Orange county had a 1/4 mil banked and still got state funds to pay for their case?
Something smells here, and it ain’t just the trunk of the damn car.
One more thing, now LE has to return everything to the A’s this means they get the stink-mobile back.
Can you imagine what some loon will pay to own that car?
Judy my friend, watch for it on Ebay. lol
WOW what a deal you can write bad checks, lie to police, commit murder, party like a rock star for 31 days, improperly dispose of a human body, ruin countless lives blaming them for kidnapping, molestation, body napping, and only do 3 years.
Did Florida just open the doors for every crook in the world?
What gets me is Look at Misty Croslin she’s doing 60 years I believe, so the moral of the story is “Don’t do drugs” everything else is okie dokie….
It certainly seems that way doesn’t it? I’m concerned that a lesson may well have been learned here by those who rid themselves of their children. Kill them, bag them up and toss them in the woods where they won’t be found for at least 6 months, then go party like there’s no tomorrow.
Larry,
I just wanted to mention one thing I found odd in Mr. Baez opening statement and it’s not the meter reader holding on to the body to collect reward money at a later date (I know openings statements are evidence but according Juror #2 statement about deliberations, some on the jury believed the abuse accusations-leading to not trusting George so I assume they believed the majority of Baez statement).
Now I’m assuming that Casey informed Baez of the majority of the information he used, because it would be unethical for him to make it up. So go back and listen to his opening, I’m paraphrasing but he says he can tell us exactly what happened, Caylee died in the pool on June 16th EITHER morning or afternoon, Then quickly realizes what he said and changes it to Lets say morning (probably because George goes to work in the afternoon). Now, go back and read Casey’s own handwritten statement, with the wrong date but we’ll ignore that even though Casey was the counting 31 days. Then look at the time that she says she dropped off her daughter, between 9am-1pm. I just wanted to point out the large gap of time in both statements. To me this is another big indicator of deception.
A mother doesn’t know when she found her child dead? I’m not saying the exact time, but the time gap would be hours? She did have to meet up with Tony later so I’m sure she occasionally checked the time.
So, if it’s not purely deception and it’s applied to the accident theory, wouldn’t that show that Caylee lay unsupervised/unattended/not missed for HOURS before being discovered dead?
Just saying, the time coincedence of the opening statement and Casey’s hand written statement is strange.
Sorry I meant to state that opening statements are NOT evidence, but seems to have been considered by some of the jurors to be evidence.
Just still don’t understand why when the judge had all the evidence thru all the hearings he knew what was going to be put on and he allowed it all to come in and yet he sat there when verdicts were read and did not step in and over turn at least one of them he had the power to do that, if he thought there was enough to convict, if he didn’t then we shouldn’t have had a damn trial. Justice was not done. so damn stupid…
Here are a few bits of evidence that connect Casey to the crime, for starters:
Duct tape connected to Casey as well as George (kept in garage)
Blanket from Caylee’s room
Plastic bags and laundry bag from top shelf in garage
Smell of decomposition in CASEY’s car trunk attested to by witnesses
Smell of decomposing squirrel in/under Casey’s car attested to by Casey
Caylee’s Big Trouble t-shirt from Casey’s collection
Caylee’s Mama doll in Casey’s car
Caylee’s backpack in Casey’s car
Car abandoned by Casey
Chloroform in tire-cover rug in trunk
Chloroform searches on Casey’s account in Anthony computer when only Casey was home
I am really having a hard time connecting the dots here……do you have anything else???
Richard – Do you remember Judge Perry mentioning something to Baez about attorneys who are willing to file lawsuits to recover state funds spent on fishing expeditions (something like that)? Hmmm … Baez “knew” that Caylee drowned, yet he spent state funds investigating … something? I’m sure it could be argued that some of the investigations were supportive of the defense he argued, but I’m also pretty certain much of it could be deemed irrelevant/fishing expeditions. (Of course, I don’t think he decided on a final defense until the last minute … hence the fishing expeditions). Do you think there’s a case? Want to represent us? I’ll bet we could raise $1 a piece from about a million people! 🙂
Great blog! I was wondering if, Mr. Baez will have any disiplinary hearings in his future? And Mr.foghorn leghorn,as well?? I thought he was awful. He got lucky in my opinion. Not bad, for a former bikini salesman………
Mr, Hornsby,
I wish to thank you for all your insight and legal thoughts during this cas.
I am still reeling from Larry Ludwig’s post earlier today.
Many people, including myself, read close to 20,000 pages of discovery documents over the last three years. We who did so, had many meaningful discussions both pro and con in regards to this case.
Nancy Grace, JVM, Insession, etc. meant nothing as far as their “entertainment” and limited knowledge of the facts went. As a matter of fact,
the defense, in this case, as well as ex-defense lawyers were all over the airwaves with the Anthony’s spreading their “truth” NOT the State Attorney’s office working the case.
I say this to you Larry Ludwig. Do your homework, read the discovery from the star to the finish. Read the depositions and watch them on the civil case pending. Gather all the information we have carefully followed without the media talking heads and hype.
THEN and only then I would respect your opinion as stated.
Richard Hornsby- you are so appreciated, thanks again.
Waiting to see your spread in Playgirl-woot-woot! You are in demand!
Good lord! It has been a long day!
Apologies for spelling errors.
IMO Baez is starting this BS regarding Nancy Grace, these professional pigs on TV yelling about her show and comments should shut the hell up and cease and desist from promoting Casey to WEALTH that is what they all intend to do or there would be no talk of Hollywood, therefore, we are to become the fools and supply our hard working monies for her fame. Really, tired of some, particular one that I will not mention at the time, calling this Villainous Psychopath Baby Killer a CELEBRITY, how about you?
Poor baby Casey, sweet little thing.
So unfairly treated by the whole world! Abused by her parents and the media.
Mr. Mason, if you have an ounce of compassion in your heart, you’ll adopt her and include her in your will.
I personally think that Geraldo could help Cheney with the support 🙂
I have always watched Geraldo..a few times haven’t agreed but from this day forth will turn the channel anytime I see him on!
Here’s a little ditty that sums up the regard in which I hold Mr. Mason:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85nDTnqWlFI&feature=related
tribute to caylee
http://tasteofcountry.com/rascal-flatts-gary-levox-caylee-anthony-song/
I believe George Anthony walked in and found Casey trying to bury Caylee thats why the dog smelled the decomposed of little Caylee.. I also think she would be evil enough to blackmail George somehow into helping her. Thats where Biaz made that statement at the begining about her mother was going to be mad when she found . Just a theory but I believe he walked in on her and told her she couldn’t bury the body there because it was to close to home, so the throw the baby in the swamp dowm the street
I don’t think George was involved. Did you hear the Tracy woman who stayed in the Anthony home? Casey , is like a child she said. Casey was of course having to wear ankle bracelet , so she asked Tracy to wear a watch on her ankle. Tracy said Casey wanted to play stickers etc…. wow! Tracy also states that George was coming into Casey’s room yelling at her “WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH MY GRANDAUGHTER”? STOP LYING TO US, WHERE IS SHE? I had a small doubt about George but not anymore.
elmundo, That would be my first reaction if I walked in and saw my daughter trying to bury her daughter, my granddaughter. Your mother is going to be mad! We can’t bury her there but that swamp down the street will work. Now get out of here and go party. Makes sense to me.
Would you agree, George did a good acting job searching for his granddaughter from 7/16/08 thru 12/11/08?
What a vile thing to say that about George! That disgusting Casey Anthony and her scummy lawyers made the story up just like all of her other lies. Too bad George can’t sue them.
Wow, the ignorance of people never ceases to amaze me. Yep , that skank hoe spurn of Satan is evil but I find that theory to be ridiculous.
ELMUNDO: Go join the other 12 idiots!
How does the 412 days previously served on the check charge. How can that same 412 days to credited again on the lying to police charge? It seems she couldn’t use those same days again on a different chqrge
IMO there is only one person in the entire world who knows what really happened to that child and that person’s credibility is very questionable at best. Should you want to add a second person into the mix (George) his credibility is not exactly pristine either. We the public will never know what really happened.
It really irks me that the death of a child will go as unsolved.
could someone please send me the petiotion for Caylees Law? I cannot get to it for some strange reason on my computer. My e-mail is d0tgrace@aol.com Also that is not a letter o it is a zero. Thank you for your time.
There once was a PT Barnum, barking far and wide before the curtain’s calling, telling titillating details of what was to come, and then the tale he finally spun, at the beginning of the performance, made them gasp, before he was even done. The crowd left breathless and believing, as told by Barnum, that the siren would be singing. The Fiji Mermaid’s two conflicting parts, looked all so real, when Barnum made that Kimball deal. But alas, she was merely a monkey head sewn to a fish, suspension of disbelief bought by the public, on dreams and a wish. The crowd was spinning, while Barnum was grinning, the circus and freak show was loud like thunder, and in that noise, none of them stopped to wonder…. just what it was that they had been sold, so Barnum could line his pockets with gold. “There’s a sucker born every minute” he allegedly once said, and the hunger for absurdities, by Barnum, they were, indeed, richly fed.
Mr. Hornsby, I found your comments to be on-point and appreciate your effort to inform us of the legal system’s attempts to “appear tough”, while giving a convicted felon, (previous conviction on check fraud), a “break” in her sentencing. I really liked your comments on Mr. Mason. I doubt that Mr. Mason would score high on the macho man scale, but I guess that is why he and Mr. Baez worked so well together. I have never had much respect for dead beat dads or people who are willing to destroy other peoples reputations only to advance their own careers. You can bet, whether they won or not, Mr. Baez had his sights set on Hollywood. A win-win situation for Mr. Baez. How can people call someone a person of low moral character and that Mr. Kronk was going to cash in his lottery ticket, when they are doing the same thing. Was Mr. Baez describing himself when he spoke of Mr. Kronk in his opening statement? There were news reports of Mr. Baez being a dead beat dad and the day after the not guilty verdict he is off to New York. I hope you keep up the good work. The legal community needs you to make up for the likes of the defense team.
i’m amazed
I recall through out 3 yrs most on websleuthes saying George and Cindy were indeed in on it.Now it’s to unbelievable?
Good Post Richard!
AN OPEN LETTER TO DEFENSE ATTORNEY CHENEY MASON
Dear Mr. Mason:
Going into the Casey Anthony trial, I held you in the highest regard, considering you to be a gentleman and a scholar. I must tell you, though I’m sure it matters not one whit to you in the overall scheme of things, that having soberly listened to you speak following the “Not Guilty” verdicts as to Caylee’s homicide in the trial as well as to the interview you gave on HLN, I’ve forever lost that respect. Along with millions of others globally, I have accepted the verdicts and the jury’s decisions, regardless of our personal feelings and consummately respectful of the dictates of our United States Constitution. We have faith in God far exceeding that of ANY form of government man could ever fashion, accepting that He knows the unvarnished truth in all things and will sit in final Judgment ANY time His loving gift of human life is befouled in the manner that tiny Caylee Anthony was. You paint us all with an egotistical, sweeping brush of condemnation by sarcastically referring to us a “jackals”, “idiots” “mindless”, “geniuses” etc. – and that, too, is your right under the Constitution we live by. However, you lied by proxy when you stood behind Mr. Baez’s Opening Argument accusations that Caylee accidentally drowned on June 16, 2008… and then admitted, post-trial, that we may never know what happened to this precious child. A young man paid a handsome price in terms of liberty and monetarily for a hand gesture that you, in turn, wholly disgraced your profession and personal character by displaying in a public situation you KNEW would be photographically memorialized for the world – and more specifically those who feel Caylee was denied justice – to see. Rather than accept responsibility and/or concede your glee and sense of triumph at telling those who dare question your methods and motives to f— off, you’re deflecting responsibility with some nonsense about directing the gesture solely at a single individual who’s been harassing your team and asking about your female member’s menstrual cycles, etc. Were that the only individual you were gesturing to, why, may I ask, did you not take him to task under the laws and Constitution you so vociferously profess to admire, thereby sparing the feelings of those who genuinely mourn Caylee’s death? You chastise us with an admonishment to “learn how to be good citizens”… perhaps you should lead by example.
The span of time souls spend on this earth constitutes a mere blink of an eye when measured against the inevitable reality of Eternity. All of us, in the end, must answer to an Authority far superior to that of any declaration set forth on parchment, and I submit for your honest reflection one sincere inquiry: Is this particular “high point” in your career one God will deem to be as honorable as you purport? For if you attained it by championing horrendous, entirely unproven lies and seizing upon the the misdirection and confusion to which they give rise, what does that truly say of the life you’ve led? Enjoy it as you will, Mr. Mason, wrapped in your self-righteous cloak of the United States Constitution… the same Constitution which, in infancy, deemed black people to be sub-human “property”. But you and those responsible for this baby’s death and/or other like atrocities, though your earthly lives may be long in years, materially rich, and well enjoyed, will soon enough stand naked before our Maker, your real and true motives exposed to his all-knowing eyes. Perhaps God will regard ‘saving the life’ of one by destroying those of others no more an honorable victory than the Death Penalty will ever be over evil.
You will notice that I have NOT chosen to remain anonymous, Mr. Mason. I fear no mere man, regardless of his ill-gotten status, resources, and/or power, when it comes to speaking the truth. I sincerely wish the best of luck to you, your team, and those you’ve represented in this matter… for when I am called to stand before God’s end of earthly life judgment, I would most certainly loathe to be in your shoes.
[My full name, address, and phone number were included with Mason’s copy of this e-mail]
LOVE IT!
Richard, You are one of my heroes – along w/ Yuri Melich and the Prosecutors. Thanks for not sucking up to the defense idiots .
To Born of Fire:
What an absolutely profound, well-put, summation of Mr. Mason’s charade and ultimate buffoonery. He and his co-counsel should think long and hard about how this questionable verdict came to be. Perhaps it had more to do with twelve people who are neither versed in the law nor able to grasp forensic science, more than the legal prowess of the defense team. To me, it appears to be a very shallow victory and certainly nothing to brag about, nor something to offer as proof of professional integrity.
This jury did its job and if there is anyone to blame, it is the prosecutors for overcharging and under-delivering.
well and using a theory from websleuths itself.
After all the exact theory was posted on there thousands of times and low and behold the prosecutor used it.
Dove tailing, Would you not agree prosecutors come out guns blazing and apply the charges accordingly on case by case. Only to lower the charges months even years later! In this case that happened did it not, at least twice. Curious, why you assert over charging/under-delivering???? Based on verdict….naaaaaaa Furthermore, perhaps if the DP as you believe were removed, would the outcome be different?
IMO no, the jury didn’t comprehend the evidence! Closing argument’s could not have been more clear.
Cousin Baez got lucky, no skill involved!
Law is Reason Free from Passion~ Aristotle ~ Now ain’t that a kick in the pants…lol
Listen Richard, whatever Masons proclamations for Talking Heads, Analysts, fellow brethren ET AL, “Bucket List.
side little detail…how many have kept their jobs as a result…come on…even you are cashing in, no? wink
Finally, Italian Salutations to Cheney& Baez, from the Nation!
Yes Mr. Hornsby,
The jury did their job by reaching a verdict they all agreed upon.
But I’m a little confused, was the prosecution seeking the charge of 1st degree Premeditated Murder or were they specifically seeking the Death Penalty? Isn’t death just one of the possible penalties, wouldn’t the other be life in prison? Aren’t there usually lesser charges to concider? I’ve never been called to jury duty so I’m not familiar with tha process. Are jurors suppose to be considering the penalty,charges, or both while deliberating? If they are considering the penaly while deliberating which according to the one juror’s statements it seems they were, then why isn’t the options 1st degree with death and 1st degree with life?
Even if the prosecution believe it was pre-meditated & believed the evidence and cicumstances supported their theory, should the prosecution have sought only a lesser charges considering the situation with the conflicted/uncooperative family(who would have begged for her life anyway if convicted of the highest charge)? I mean, don’t prosecutors down-grade crimes all the time based on other circumstances that might have nothing to do with the perceived crime?
You must have extremely low expectations of jurors, Richard. It seems the jury used “beyond a shadow of doubt” as its measuring stick as opposed to “beyond reasonable doubt.” They also were unduly influenced by the defense’s opening statement as demonstrated by the suspicion they’ve been expressing toward George. And there is no way they could have done due diligence on the review of the evidence in the less than 11 hours they spent in deliberation. Never once asking a question of the judge. Never once asking for the read back of testimony. And they totally dismissed much of the circumstantial evidence, for some bizarre reasoning thinking they could not use it
Right! As to the smart assy juror on tv who when asked how she could sleep at night after her decision replied VERY quickly “OH I can sleep just fine” and gave a big crappy grin: Lets see how you sleep as this all unfolds. This should be interesting. She’ll be the very one to whine about needing protection, this has ruined her life, Zanaida Gonzales beat me to a “Casey ruined my life” suit, blah, blah. All I can hope is that someday , somewhere Casey screws up again. Hopefully, not another death involved.
Richard, I respectfully disagree. No one knows how the jury deliberations progressed except for those twelve people. However, a child under the age of three is most certainly dead. A child of that age must be under the supervision of a responsible adult, for the safety and welfare of the child to be maintained. Whether that child was under the supervision of her mother alone or her grandfather and her mother together – the fact that the child suffered some type of trauma that resulted in her death and an emergent care team was not called, in any case, can most certainly be considered neglect. To dispose of a small child’s body in a manner that does not allow for the cosideration of human dignity can also be considered neglect, to say the least. How, then, does the charge of aggravated manslaughter exceed this scenario? It is my opinion that this jury became overwhelmed by the number of charges they had to consider. Perhaps more time could have been spent on isolating the most pertinent information that was actually provable, and a more appropriate verdict might then have been reachable. My dissatisfaction with this entire procedure stems from the inability of our laws to protect the most vulnerable citizens in our society. Any attorney who use subterfuge in order to win a court battle do absolutely nothing to protect the rights of any American and show little respect or appreciation for our Constituion. J C Mason’s comment after the verdict was handed down, saying how Caylee Anthony died may never be known, speaks volumes to me about how forthright the defense team was in presenting Casey Anthony’s version of this tragedy.
Our beloved Richard, could you please offer your opinion of the following post which posted in response to a petition floating around seeking relief on a Federal level from the acquittal, on all charges, of Casey Anthony?
I, one of many, value your professional opinion in all matters concerning Casey Anthony, and hearing from you, on this matter, would be greatly appreciated!
Comment from: http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1555575/pg1
“Sorry, Mr. Commentator, but your interpretation of the Fifth Amendment with respect to limitations on criminal prosecutions is incorrect. Contrary to your assertion, the Fifth Amendment only applies to STATE prosecutions. The Federal Government is not prohibited from going forth with a subsequent prosecution on an individual for the same offense following an acquittal in state court under the principle of Dual Sovereignty. See, Bartkus v Illinois, 359 U.S. 121; Heath v Alabama, 474 U.S. 82 (1985); United States v. Aboumousallem, 726 F. 2d 27 (1979). The lone qualification for that determination is whether a subsequent federal prosecution meets compelling “federal interests”. In this case, where the United States has recently enacted a number of intensified laws dealing with children’s rights and enforcement thereof, the Government would easily have a substantial “federal interest” in ensuring that the murderer child, Caylee Anthony, obtains the justice for which she is constitutionally entitled. In addition, because of evidence that some of the members of the Casey Anthony jury violated their responsibilities as reasonable, competent jurors inasmuch as ignoring several admonishments by Judge Perry and admittedly making a hasty decision with respect to the verdict because of vacations and other personal matters, such impropriety would easily rise to the level of a “federal interest”, paving the way to prosecute Ms Anthony under federal statutes.
As far as those federal statutes go under which Ms Anthony could be prosecuted, there are several. Ms Anthony could be prosecuted under the General Murder statute (Title 18 USC, Section 1111(c)(3) (Murder of a child), or 18 USC, Section 115(b)(3) (Murder of a family member), or under Title 18 USC, Section(s) 241, 242, 245 or 247 dealing with criminal violations of an individual’s civil rights. Furthermore, Ms Anthony could, and should, be indicted on federal Obstruction Of Justice whereas she concealed a dead body and lied to law enforcement authorities, including the FBI. There are other federal statutes implicated as well should the United States Attorney want to be creative.
So, in conclusion, Mr. Commentator, your assessment of the limitations of the Fifth Amendment are quite flawed, and it IS in the interest of all readers here who genuinely want to see Caylee obtain justice by and through Federal prosecution of this wicked psychopath. What this means is that the Petition for which is referred to her should be signed and endorsed by as many people possible, because I can tell you, as a Federal attorney, it is making quite an impact with USA Robert O’Neill, and even more importantly, Attorney general, Eric Holder, who would make the ultimate decision whether to authorize federal prosecution of Casey Anthony pursuant to the longstanding “Petite Policy”.
Regards,
Dennis Caulfield, Esq.
Attorney at Law
What makes you think a federal jury would come to a different conclusion?
Great question! I’m happy to offer my answer; and thanks by the way for addressing the comment. (((hugs)))
Simply, regardless of what one believes actually happened to cause Caylee’s death, the fact remains that she is dead and she was abandoned to a swamp.
I’m not looking for a replay of murder 1, rather some form of accountability for the indefensible acts of not reporting to the proper authorities whatever life threatening emergency took Caylee’s life, or as was alleged by the defense, the drowning.
Pardon my ignorance when it comes to matters of law, but the defense laid out the drowning scenario as fact, and so doing proved beyond any doubt that Casey acted negligently and abusively toward Caylee in not seeking emergency medical care for her.
This is a KNOWN fact then: Caylee was denied and deprived of medical intervention that may have saved her life, if in fact the drowning occurred, which the defense, on behalf of Casey, said it did.
The jury, then, it seems to me, was amiss in its not guilty verdict of at least one of the lesser charges, say, manslaughter, but most certainly she should have been found guilty of child abuse, child endangerment and neglect. Unless I’m mistaken such matters were never addressed, separate and apart from the murder charge, and so I ask, can she not still be charged with these lessor offenses?
You are the best, Mr. Richard Hornsby, and I’d feel a whole lot better about the verdict had you been her lead defense counsel.
One other thing, if you don’t mind, Richard, since Casey no doubt lied to the FBI, can’t charges be brought against her separate and apart from lying to local/state LE personnel?
Thanks.
You realize that makes no sense. She was found not guilty, that is as good as a verdict as you can get.
Once again, thank you for you comment, and I hate to be bothersome; but, yes she was found not guilty of murder. However, she was found guilty of 4 counts of lying to LE on the state/local level and was sentenced to one year for each count as well as the $1000 per incident. Lying to Federal agents carries a much stiffer sentence of five years per occurrence, so my question is, basically, why can’t she be charged separately for lying to the FBI?
you do realize that Hornsby isn’t answering your questions don’t you???
typical defense attorney.
tip : don’t ask his opinion, ask what the law is. His opinion is worthless, fact of the matter. If he doesn’t know the fed law and is too big headed to admit it, then you move on. sheesh.
Richard,
Given that no two juries are the same and you can never be certain what verdict they will return, it is feasible that a federal jury could return a guilty verdict. Certainly, a crime not requiring pre-meditation or malice aforethought is a possibility.
But the question is this: Is what Mr. Caulfield says correct? If his interpretation was correct then almost any person acquitted of murder in State Court would be at risk of a new prosecution in Federal Court.
I never knew that a jury coming to a “hasty judgement” or even “ignoring admonishments” from the judge was sufficient to bring the crime the jury were deliberating over into federal jurisdiction.
I would be grateful for your opinion since Mr. Caulfield is an estate planning attorney (http://www.caufieldlaw.com/) and his opinions seem, with respect, far fetched.
TIA
Should we retry every state murder trial that ends in Not Guilty at the federal level, or just those that Nancy Grace cares about? What’s the point of having a constitution if you only enforce it selectively.
I suppose that will be Mr. Baez’ argument should the Feds choose to pursue charges under the Petit Policy.
No, Mr. Hornsby, I agree. Popular vote does not always prevail, even when electing the President.
The jury has spoken Not Guilty, which is not the same as Innocent and the public needs to accept that verdict because it can never,ever be changed. While I personally believe Casey was guilty of murder, the one thing the jury did do correctly, is not base their decision on popular belief or media reports (whether or not any of the jurors had an alternative agenda, I do not know).
Richard,
My answer to your question is a resounding NO. You should not retry every state murder at all. In actuality, I don’t like the idea of retrying a person in federal court for a crime they have been acquitted of state court. However, as much as I dislike it the US Courts follow the multiple/dual sovereigns doctrine and, as I understand it, the double jeopardy doctrine doesn’t apply to such prosecutions (although I understand the USC limits double sovereign prosecutions some cases).
I was just curious if what Mr. Caulfield was said was correct. Does this case have a “federal interest” which is capable of prosecution in Federal Court? As, I explained in my post, I thought what he was saying was absurd but that’s just my opinion. I was curious what the law actually was.
The attorney who posted that comment has an “L” in his last name. Caulfield. The website to which you refer belongs to an attorney with a different spelling of the last name.
your kidding right?
Let the verdict stand and rest.
I guess my last post – didn’t, so I’ll repost it and hope it doesn’t appear twice.
Richard, it’s a Federal Crime to lie to the FBI, and Casey did lie to the Feds regarding the alleged kidnapping, so why aren’t the Feds able to bring new charges against her. As I understand it, double jeopardy, as it pertains to her, doesn’t apply to what Federal crimes she’s committed.
Thanks again.
For me, this would not be about a federal jury reaching a different verdict (even though I’m confident they would and anyone who’s sat through a federal trial would agree as the elements and the jury instructions are notably different), but more about this person answering for any and all potential crimes committed during these acts– both State and Federal. Additionally, here’s some info on Petite Policy: Statement of Policy: This policy establishes guidelines for the exercise of discretion by appropriate officers of the Department of Justice in determining whether to bring a federal prosecution based on substantially the same act(s) or transactions involved in a prior state or federal proceeding. See Rinaldi v. United States, 434 U.S. 22, 27, (1977); Petite v. United States, 361 U.S. 529 (1960). Although there is no general statutory bar to a federal prosecution where the defendant’s conduct already has formed the basis for a state prosecution, Congress expressly has provided that, as to certain offenses, a state judgment of conviction or acquittal on the merits shall be a bar to any subsequent federal prosecution for the same act or acts. See 18 U.S.C. §§ 659, 660, 1992, 2101, 2117; see also 15 U.S.C. §§ 80a-36, 1282.”
Alan Dershowitz last night (on Mike Huckabee, a great segment by the way) wondered why Casey wasn’t charged with obstruction of justice and hiding evidence…..could these charges still be brought forth..she admitted through her attorney to being there and knowing Caylee died. He also opined as to the attorneys “celebrating.” This trial came and went, but a child is still dead.
Uklaw: I don’t think it would be far-fetched considered for charges to be brought forth on a Federal level for lying to an FBI agent about a child’s death– acquitted in State Court or not. As for the jury making a hasty decision, here’s some more interesting facts on the Petite Policy: “The presumption may be overcome when a conviction was not achieved because of the following sorts of factors: first, incompetence, corruption, intimidation, or undue influence; second, court or jury nullification in clear disregard of the evidence”
you are awesome!!!
I know everyone is familiar with this, but it applies here, in a way. I copied the list and added some to it.
Ku?bler-Ross grief cycle:
1. Denial — Shock.? Denial is usually only a temporary defense for the individual.
2. Anger — Who is to blame? It’s not fair! ?Once in the second stage, the individual recognizes that denial cannot continue.
3. Bargaining — What else can be done to change it, what compromise? This stage involves the hope that the individual can somehow postpone or delay the inevitable.
4. Depression — What’s the point of court system, etc?
5. Acceptance — “It’s going to be okay.”; “I can’t fight it”. ?This stage definitely varies according to the person’s situation, although broadly it is an indication that there is some emotional detachment and objectivity.
Even though I disagree with the verdict, sometimes you just have to move on
(in the emotional sense). Like Diana Tennis said, karma catches up with you.
Weird, her name didn’t copy properly.
Why did all those question marks pop in? Very strange.
Pretty sad that the State had 3 years to prosecute this case and it ended up with a not guilty verdict. Good thing JA retired before they could fire his arse. What an embarrassment to say the least Three years to prepare! Ontop of that , the investigation ended up being inept, George Anthony’s cell phone records not even investigated? Three years people! They got what they deserved. I wonder if LDB and Mr. George is redoing their resumes…LOL
Richard, thank you for everything, you made the comments I didn’t always want to hear, but I respect you for doing it. Time to move on now, keep on truckin in sunny Fla!
People who are outraged should focus their energy towards productive venues. How does it help the situation by leaving momentos/stuffed animals at the recovery site? These items(that are meant to memorialize) are now becoming trash/garbage …how ironic. The property owner, who had nothing to do with this case other than be unlucky enough to own the property, is being victomized and now has to clean up this mess. Why not donate these items to children or organizations that need them and could use them…Do it in memory of Caylee.
Make donations in memory of Caylee to organizations that help children/victims. Volunteer in memory of Caylee. People can choose how to channel their anger, either in a positive way or a negative one. We can choose to make a difference in areas that can be controlled or changed. Vengeance nor empty hollow gestures will honor Caylee’s memory.
Casey will be free to leave jail…but will she truely be free? Those who surround her will be those who have their own agendas, any positive influences will be quickly disgarded by her if they point out her negative behaviors. If she’s as we believe, left to her own devises she will be the destruction of herself. Not wishing anything on anyone, but sometimes we create our own hell and sometimes justice is poetic.
thank you…I feel your right…justice will be poetic! Karma will play a huge part in the ending of this bella vita!
Regarding the alternate juror’s comment that he “didn’t see a motive”in the Anthony trial, I guess he has never watched an episode of Case Files of Dayle Hinman. Some motives are never offered, Means and opportunity of a crime are enough to convict.
That’s half the problem.
watching shows like that.
The prosecution did provide their homicide theory motive, don’t know why juror says he didn’t see a motive.
MOTIVE: Caylee was quickly becoming more verbal and this would eventually expose Casey’s lies (Who’s zanny, mommy not working,etc) Responsibility of motherhood interfered/conflicted with her social life(her new friends where single, child free, could socialize,travel, and party at will), and the jealousy/conflict of Cindy’s relationship with Caylee & Casey(as testified to along with the Myspace posting) backed up by argument/tension witnessed by Amy over Caylee’s whereabouts.
Basically it all boiled down to either Caylee or the life Casey wanted and fantacized about.
Too unbelievable ?
Susan Smith was a great mother, no signs of abuse. Wanted a man who wanted no kids. She could have let her exhusband take the kids, but decided to kill them instead. Car put in lake with kids strapped in. Blamed a black car jacker. Thankfully she developed at conscience and told where the kids where.
Scott Peterson appeared to be a great husband, no signs of abuse. Seems he wanted a life with another woman. Killed his wife instead of getting a divorce, which would paint a bad light on him and force him to pay child support. Blamed it on an abduction. Wife & child’s body wash up on the shore of the bay where Scott says he went fishing. No Manner of Death, no time of death (no how, when, or where).
Mark Hacking killed his wife after she discovered his lies of being a college graduate and would soon bee attending medical school. His family had believed these lies and Mark did not want them to discover his long history of lies.
Kenisha Berry Killed her newborn placing duct tape over face and belted his tiny arms to his body. Put him in a trash bag and threw him in a dumpster. His body was discovered by a couple collecting aluminum cans. Was a cold case, mother not found until years later. Motive?
A Pennsylvania mom Michelle Sue Tharp starved 7 1/2 yr old daughter to death. Dumped body along a WV dirt patch. Filed a false report that the child went missing while shopping in Ohio. Child weighed about 12 pounds at death. Motive?
I just called this attorneys office since he posted his phone number to ask about the petition to have her prosecuted federally. I wanted to find out if this issue that she can be prosecuted federally had any truth to it. I was greeted by the most rude and condescending person. Said he wasnt going to “waste his time” I hung up on him….Just another rude, arrogant and condescending attorney. If I didn’t have money in my hand I wasn’t worth speaking to…SHAME
If you would have read my responses to others in this same thread, you would have seen that I had already answered that question the same way multiple times. I am sorry if you are upset that I would prefer not to discuss the Casey Anthony cases with people for extended periods of time during my work hours. The shame is that you did not take the time to read my previous responses on the issue or thought that I do not have my own business to deal with. I am sure that you would prefer if people did not call you at work for non-work related issues.
Mr. Hornsby,
You have been very generous with your time, and I for one greatly appreciate it. People need to read the entire post and responses instead of picking and choosing information. It is clear that your number was sarcastically(because your # is easily obtained and not unlisted) provided to Mr. Mason, not an invitation for the general public to call and question you about this case or any other case.
I enjoy reading all of your posts, as well as the opinion of your readers, whether I agree or disagree. I appreciate a forum where I can express my opinions as well.
You provide a great service explaining the legal aspects of our justice system, as well as taking the time to provide multiple case laws to support them. Whether we agree or agree to disagree, You have a fan for life.
Ahh Richard,
The consequences of being a talking head 😛
For those of you who are waiting to see the release of Casey Anthony on TV, don’t hold your breath. I believe she is in a jail far away from Orange County, Florida and will be released from there. They would not be able to control the mobs here in Orlando if they were dumb enough to let her walk out the door of the Orange County Jail! She is long gone and you won’t see her until her book comes out!
Personally I don’t want to see her ugly horse face ever again. I hope that when she is released that she will just burn out and fade away forever. I’m sure she will show up in the tabloids or perhaps show up in the news when she commits her next crime, but I for one won’t be buying any books written by her, her lying family, or by anyone else for that matter. All we ever need to know is in the public record thanks to the Florida Sunshine laws. Besides , who wants to read a book of fiction by any of the Anthonys? The case is over. Caylee may not have received justice, but Casey will get her karma – somehow…someway. She’s in for a rude awakening the day she steps out of jail. I hope her attorneys have prepared her and have informed her that she is the most hated woman in the world. She better grow eyes in the back of her head and hire a team of body guards. Life will never be easy for Casey from here on out. I believe Casey would have adapted to life in prison, but I’m not sure she will ever adapt to the life she will be living outside of prison. She has forever ruined her life over this. She’s hated even more than OJ, and we all know how that ended up.
Richard, thanks so much for your blogs posts. You’ve been very informative, and hilarious at times! I have high respect for you and will continue to read here…so please…continue with your blog posts!!! Love ya!
Melinda,
Do you understand the process? The state did not prove their case. The investigation is and was the worst i’ve ever seen. Did you not hear all the lying from most of the “CORE” players in this case?On the stand? Did you not know that Cindy and George’s records and past was not investigated? Ricardo’s? (even had info on chloroform on his pc) How can they convict with no proof? There was no smoking gun unfortunately, perhaps there would be if they checked out changing of stories etc, etc instead of befriending a fellow police officer and thensome….IMOO
I do believe {unwarranted of course} Casey is hated more than OJ.
No doubt! I believe you are correct! I’ve never seen so much outrage over a verdict. She’s definitely hated more than OJ!
I’m watching Greta’s interview with the juror foreman. OMG…I’m not impressed at all. They just all need to shut up and go away. He thinks she’s guilty, but I guess he needed a video of the actual killing and the dumping! MY GAWD! The dumbing down of America. Idiocracy at it’s finest.
According to the Foreman Juror #11
“When I had to sign off on the verdict, the sheet that was given to me — there was just a feeling of disgust that came over me knowing that my signature and her signature were going to be on the same sheet,” the juror said.
Anthony does not sign the verdict sheets, only the foreman does.
In addition to the failure to prove cause of death, the jury also had problems with the first witness the state put on the stand, Anthony’s father, George Anthony.
“There was a suspicion of him. That was a part of our conversation that we had, what I call the round-robin topics that we had during deliberations,” the foreman said.
What the heck are round-robin topics? Does anyone know? Are topics and evidence related?
Less than 11 hours. I wonder how long it took to select a Foreman? How long did it take to go over jury instructions? Is breakfast provided before deliberations resumes? Are lunch and breaks included in the deliberation time? I just want to hear one of them talk about what evidence they discussed and how it didn’t fit or was discredited. What did the 6 who originally voted Guilty on 2nd degree argue and what persuaded them to change their decision?
I’m beginning to think that even if the state had a video documenting the death, Baez would have argued that the Law Enforcement or George Anthony doctored/manufactured it and the jury would have bought it.
“Now looka, I say looka here son”
Awesome. 😀
What to do now? I think the thing that would punish her the most would be to ignore her completely. Don’t read her books, don’t watch her on TV. There would be no ratings/no sponsors. What she has done has put the whole country, no the whole world in an uproar and she’s loving it. Just like Jesse Grund said: she has everything she wants right now. She’s nothing, nobody (except a bee-otch baby-killer).
You od not see it remotely possible that the jury got this wrong?
I am pleased that the Jury Forman will be discussing the jury deliberations on Greta tonight. I am looking forward to learning about the jury deliberation process, as I have never had the opportunity to be a juror.
I just hope the Forman stops referring to the date as June 15th(concerning George and the death), (I don’t know why Greta didn’t try to correct him or ask him why he was referencing that date)which was not the testimony of anyone in the courtroom. June 15th was the day Caylee was with Cindy visiting the great-grandma and grandpa. George couldn’t have seen Casey & Caylee leave that afternoon because Caylee was with Cindy. I guess the date was innocent mix-up on his part.
I got a chuckle out of how the Foreman used the now infamous “snowball” in anticipating Greta’s next question.
Note to Defense lawyers, Catch phrases/words are good.
Sore losers; the whole bunch of you are sore losers. We know the lawyers’ games; cut the chitter out!
LEAVE THE JURY ALONE -THEY MADE THE DECISION THEY HAD TO MAKE – SO LEAVE THEM ALONE. STOP THE QUARTERBACKING ABOUT THE JURY WITH YOUR BS; ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. AND PLEASE GET NANCY GRACE A SHRINK OR A PHYSCOLOGIST FOR SOME MANIC MEDICATIONS…I THINK SHE’S REALLY STARTING TO SOUND NUTTIER THAN EVER!
Dolly, I want those jurors to leave me alone.
Get off tv already.
LOL
Mr. Hornsby, what about a class action suit for all the time we invested in following this case. She made up a story, her family and legal team made their interviews tours and we were hooked.
I want that wasted time back but $100,000 will do. 😉
Okay, changing the subject. Do you think Conrad Murray will be found guilty of involuntary manslaughter? I’m feeling right now that the loss of his medical license is punishment enough, although I haven’t seen the evidence. What say you?
Also (non sequitur), Rupert Murdoch is a bigger douche nozzle than originally suspected. No way the staff did what they did without a culture, or nod, of approval from the top.
It wouldn’t surprise me if Dr. Murray is acquitted. I believe he should be found guilty of involuntary manslaughter and should loose his medical license. A doctor is required use their license ethically. legally. and responsibly, I think Dr. Murray crossed the line. For one, he is a cardiologist not an anesthesiologist, he should have never been administering propofol period. A doctor cannot act as a glorified drug dealer just because the patient wants a medication/drug and the patient has money. I do not believe it was Dr. Murray’s intent for Michael Jackson to die, but if a physician decides to cross the line he also must accept the responsibility/consequences of his own actions and should be held accountable.
I think he should lose his license. But Murray was financially desperate, so an easy target, under the influence of a very powerful and sick individual, and he said he was attempting to ween MJ off the drug since others had provided it in the past. I do believe that it is possible that the fatal dose of propofol could have been self-administered, since MJ was such a drug hound. He could have woken up without the doctor in the room, and proceeded to take it himself. There are actually documented cases of other people addicted to the substance, most, however, are in the medical field. I remember reading about a person who was doing it while driving; nodding out, doing more, nodding out, etc. If Anna Nichole’s doctor didn’t go down for her participation in that woman’s drug addiction, and subsequent death, I don’t think Murray should. Although since MJ had a multitude of fans, he will likely be convicted.
Dr. Murray left MJ unsupervised after administering a drug that is used in a hospital setting and he did not have the necessary medical support/supplies in place for a medication that has never been approved for home use. Powerful people and money do not give a Dr. the license to administer medication at will just because that person wants it. I think certain people involved with Anna Nicole also violated laws (a lawyer who is obtaining medications for her under false names, which he knows is wrong, and Doctors who where over-prescribing because of who she was). Just my opinion.
A doctor has a license to be able to responsibly provide controlled substances to the public, the general public are not able to easily obtain them without the doctor. Are you suggesting that a doctor who is financially desperate should be able to sell controlled substances, without regard, from their home because there is a demand for it?
No, I just think that there are mitigating and odd circumstances. The wealthy and powerful often live by different laws, or no laws. I feel sorry for Conrad, I can’t exactly explain why. I don’t see how putting him in jail will serve anyone any good at this point. If he can’t practice medicine permanently, he will be punished and no one else will/could be hurt. It also will save California money. They recently freed more dangerous inmates because they are over crowded and financially burdened in the prison system.
This isn’t going to turn into a trend with the public, no one has the kind of money Jackson did.
If a doctor left one of your family members unattended while administering a powerful anesthesia and your family member died because of it would that change the sorrow you feel for the doctor?
What trial were some people who find Casey innocent? The trial was complicated and required more study of the edvidence during delibration. Why notes not taken. The evidence pointed to Casey is involved with the killing of Caley. The defense attorney did not prove his opening arguement and did not show that Casey was innocent. In fact, The defense made a circus out of this trial. But Karma will catch up with Casey. She never felt any worry or attachment of Caley during the whole trial. She did a great performance of acting.She knew when to show for the camera, emotion. But one could tell it was fake. Again crime does not pay. Life will catch up with her.
Who is financing Casey’s departure from Florida and, basically, her life until she becomes gainfully employed or begins stealing again? And will she have to return for the depositions in these civil trials? Thank you for all your great comments and information.
Maybe there’s already a deal in place for her first interview, which provided some front money. If the depostition doesn’t get done while she’s in jail, I’ll be very surprised if she returns for either. Even if the deposition was done in jail, I don’t think she will answer any questions anyway, other than giving her name.
Erin
No one in my family would ever be getting a private duty doctor to come and live in their home for the purpose of administering drugs to satisfy an addiction. So it’s not as simple as the question that you ask. There is no apple to apple scenario.
Of course it’s a very different circumstance when you are undergoing a procedure to save your life. Also, in the operating room, you don’t have direct access to the drugs, like Michael did, as they were stored in his bedroom. I think there was a lot of negative influence on the doctor from Michael. There was no history of this guy ever doing anything like this before. That’s why I feel bad for him. And why is the pharmacy, or the distributor of the drug not culpable? Or the regulators who don’t have a stop gap on who gets their hands on this stuff?
It’s sad that Michael is dead, in that he was quite talented, but he was actively involved in his own destruction and death. If not this doctor, then someone else. Even if Murray is convicted, I still see no point, or greater good for the public, by putting him in jail. And yes, it is sad, all around.
Interested,
It’s sad that a talented physician made a bad decision(that was based on money),but it does not excuse the fact that he is ultimately responsible for his decision and his own actions. Being a physician, he is educated enough to know that what medical malpractice is. There have been many uneducated people who have been convicted of involuntary manslaughter, and their Ignorance of the Law is not a defense. When Dr. Murray speaks of weaning MJ off the medication, that just validates for me that he had administered it multiple times without incident and that he became complacent, leaving his patient unsupervised with a drug that is intended for surgeries(it probably wasn’t the 1st time). Dr. Murray ordered,obtained and stockpiled the medication for MJ, MJ would have a difficult time obtaining them without a doctor’s assitance.
It should not matter if this was Michael Jackson or patient X, What Dr. Murray did was malpractice. If the system keeps letting these Doctors and pharmacists get away with it, they will continue to practice bad medicine because the money and connections out-weigh the consequenses. If you think this type of malpractice only happens in rich communities, it doesn’t.
What ever happened to personable responsibility for one’s actions? Today’s generation frequently wants to blame someone else for the bad decisions they make.
MJ did not have as much money as people think, which is why he was going to go on tour. It was the tour company that was paying Dr. Murray’s salary as part of MJ’s contract. MJ was borrowing heavily on his Beatle’s catalog, and new borrowing powers were limited, his debt was high and overdue. He was also a desperate individual, and he paid the ultimate price, his life, for his bad decision.
Didn’t the public want to hold Casey Anthony responsible for her bad actions?
If it makes you feel better, Dr. Murray has a chance of being acquitted especially if he has a Judge like the one in the Anna Nicole case. The defense will also blame someone else(the victim), and Why not, it worked out well for Baez and Casey to blame someone else.
I do understand what you are saying. Maybe my feelings will change as more info comes out during the trial. Malpractice is a civil matter though, not criminal. I do not understand why a cardiologist would be permitted access to this drug to begin with, he was a medical doctor and not a surgeon. I can’t see how someone else isn’t in trouble. The pharmacy or drug distributor made plenty of money on those sales. Murray may have had the financial motivation, but it might have also been an emotional one too, as he could have been manipulated by Michael because he liked him and maybe he really wanted to help him. Like others of wealth and power (and Michael had mega wealth, even if he had less than before. He clearly had power), if there is an insulated subculture where anything goes, according to the top, people can become corrupted for fear of their jobs, but also from only being exposed to an echo chamber of thoughts and norms with no input from outsiders. I’m not saying it is right, at all. I think it’s differs from the Casey Anthony case because I believe there was malice, anger and intent with Caylee’s death, (and Caylee was a baby), but I will never know for certain. I admit that there was a culture of deceit within the Anthony family, that’s a given. But C. Anthony was a criminal before Caylee’s death. I think she poses a greater risk of repeat offenses and a danger to society. Murray is powerless to commit this act again without his license. I think Michael’s stature does play into this; if he was a homeless junkie and another junkie shot him up, you know there wouldn’t be the same outcry for justice. Sometimes people are charged, but that is much more rare. I believe that the personal responsibility falls more with Michael in this instance. He wasn’t a child. He was intelligent, and knew what could cause himself harm. What Murray did was very very bad, but other than making an example out of him, or exacting revenge, how does Murray serving time benefit society? Even if convicted, I guess my point is that he shouldn’t spend a lot of time, or any, in an overcrowded prison system where violent offenders are routinely being released, who will definitely cause harm to the peons and the average, like us. The rich will always find more ways than one way to skin a cat. Money equals power. Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely. I think that Michael was very selfish to involve other people in his addiction. I see him as much less of a victim and Murray as a minimal potential future danger.
BOMSHELL!!!
Our sources confirm that Nancy Grace was correct in stating that the devil was dancing tonight after Anthony’s aquittal. When asked for comment Satan said “Yes I have been taking lessons for sometime now in preperation for Nancy’s arrival. I want our first dance at our wedding reception to be perfect.” Sources went on to confirm Grace will be a perfect bride for Lucifer.
It seems as if Casey put tape on her daughters mouth (post mortim) to implicate “Xanida” for kidnapping her child, hense the reason Casey made up the story Caylee was “missing”. So if/when Caylee was finally discovered in such a close proximity to the home, it would truly look like a kidnapping & direct police attention away from Casey & back on “Xanida Gonzalez”. This was done after she chloriformed Caylee who died as a direct result of the misuse/overdose of the drug because she made such a strong batch of it to make sure her daughter slept thru the “hot body” contest. Just look at Caylee’s little eyes, sunken in with dark circles in some of her later photos, due to being drugged repeatedly so mommy could act a fool at the local bar. It’s so obvious that Casey panicked when she came back to her car (where she would often leave Caley sleeping) to find Caylee dead. I can’t believe they didn’t see that for the cover up it was. And mom & dad didn’t help her, she did it all herself. And now the real Xanida Fernandez-Gonzalez who actually tried to rent on of the apts in the complex Casey pointed out to police, is suing Casey for defamation purposes. Casey got ahold of Xanida’s rental paperwork most likely and made up the story from there. Lie after lie after lie after lie….oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive.
xanida,isn’t a Fernandez and Casey could not of gotten her paperwork unless someone working there gave it to her.
If Casey [with the average IQ] chloroformed Caylee,how come none was found made in the house?I mean if you make the stuff,you store it somewhere,in something right?
Casey could not look at photos of bones,yet ya think she held her dead daughters body in a car while it decomposed,then stuck duct tape on the mouth?You really have to have a good stomach to do these things I’d assume and for some reason Casey doesn’t strike me as capable of stomaching a decomposing body.
Remember Georges interview when he puked while talking about the car smell?
Who pukes because they remember a smell?unless of course it was something else so horrifying to recall it brings you to vomit!
Oh one more thing
Casey Anthony wasn’t smart enough to realize her lies would be found out fairly quickly,let alone smart enough to tape a decomposing bodies mouth so to hold body fluids in.
Seriously the girl wouldn’t of known any of that stuff.
Casey would however probably just believe her own lie if traumatized enough and JG said that in the beginning.
So maybe,just maybe what Beaz has told all of the world is indeed true.
heckler, if what JB told the world is true then why did Casey sit in jail for 3 years with a 1st degree murder charge and possible death sentence staring at her? According to your theory she was traumatized so was believing her own lies. I’m assuming she was still believing her own kidnapping lie while she wasted resources and everyone’s time searching for Caylee from 7/15/08 thru 12/11/08 correct? When do you think she stopped believing her own lie and the “truth” surfaced? Why was she lying about her job and nanny before Caylee’s death and the traumatizing event?
I have smelled a decomposing body and it is by far the worst and most recognizable smell I have ever experienced. It is so bad that years later I had a decomposing mouse behind my refrigerator and that smell gave me dry heaves.
All I know is apparently 12 others also feel she is NOT GUILTY of murder 1 and no matter the theorys,spin etc etc…It is done!
No need to defend Casey, the jury found her Not Guilty, but since you’re throwing out your theories, I give some too.
If Casey was using chloroform, she would not longer need to make or store it anywhere if the child is dead. She could have disposed of it.
How do you know how smart Casey was? She was smart enough to have family and friends think she was working and that she had a nanny. She was smart enough to creat fake emails from fake bosses and have them sent to herself to use them to show her mom so she would babysit. If she was getting away a variety of events for so long, she may have started to become complacent that people always believed her. She was smart enough to use other people’s bank routing #s, checks, credit cards, and fake deposit slips. Casey had good knowlege of computers and internet, as many people her age do.
I’ve had a situation happen to me while house hunting that could possibly explain how Casey could have gotten Zenaida/Sawgrass info (it involves an email mistakenly sent to the wrong email address). So there are possible ways she could have discovered that info.
Do you think Casey lived in a bubble, she also liked horror movies and shows such as One Tree Hill which covered a variety of topics, even kidnapping. And Casey looked at the bones of her child just fine when the jury wasn’t in the room, she turned away when the jury was present.
If Casey put duct tape on her child while alive or right after death, she wouldn’t have been putting it on a decomposed body.
When you smell human decomposition, it’s not something that’s easy to forget..Just like when you smell the odor of a skunk or sulfur. When I think of certain odors, I gag. If Geoge was thinking of the odor and also thinking that his daughter possibly did something to his granddaughter, I’m sure that could also be an explanation for him vomiting.
Remember, Casey was not planning on being caught when she was. No telling how long it would have gone on if the car wasn’t towed and Cindy hadn’t found her. She was still lying to avoiding the family. She did not returning calls once she learned that they found the car. Casey felt comfortable for the time being because her family did not know her new friends and she probably didn’t even realize that any contact numbers where in her car. And if George was involved, why even bother picking up the car…he could have made up a story to Cindy about the certified letter.
In my opinion if Baez knew, then he wouldn’t have said it happened either morning or afternoon, and then quickly say, let’s just say the morning.
But that is neither here nor there because she was found Not Guilty, and the verdict can never be changed. Whatever her true actions where the day Caylee died, a verdict can never change those actions.
Baez won because there was reasonable doubt and the prosecutors story came straight off of websleuths,hence why it was smart to have that singer lady reading all the blogs..
Every theory Aston had,websleuths had posted first.So lets call the whole case THE BATTLE OF THE BS THEORIES to which Baez’s worked better!!!!
Seriously the whole Chloroform story is stupid.
If there had EVER been chloroform in the amt that Vass tried to get people to believe, then anyone walking by that trunk or sticking their head in it to get something out would have become queasy and light headed at the least, and passed out at the worst. The prosecution pushed too hard with phantom evidence. People like Casey Anthony are NOT going to use chloroform when you can knock your child out with Nyquill, Whiskey, Tylenol PM or various other “pretty and convenient” drugs. For anyone who believed the chloroform story….my condolences to you. You should study elementary chemistry. One need only to get as far as the nature of gasses and molecules to understand how VERY ridiculous it was for ANYONE to believe that there was that much chloroform in that trunk 30+ days after the victim was allegedly put in there. It’s science fiction at it’s worst. It’s a crying shame that average citizens couldn’t see this from the gate.
That doesn’t mean I’m saying Casey’s involvement was zero or that her behavior to be condoned, because I’m NOT saying that. What I am saying is that if you’re gonna charge someone with Murder One, then you better hope and pray that not a single juror has an IQ above 40 if you’re gonna use the old “chloroform in the trunk” evidence.
No one can know for sure what happened to Caylee. What people have forgotten is that a trial was NEVER intended as a way to bring “Justice” to a victim. A trial is a Constitutionally guaranteed right of the accused. Its purpose is to determine the guilt or “not guilt” of the accused. People mistakenly think that a trial is all about the victim. A trial is about an alleged crime and the person accused of such. I’m thankful for our adversarial system of “justice”. Sometimes unlikable folks beat the charges. Most of the time, though, the guilty are punished.
Casey has paid her time for lying. Past that, NONE of us have anything other than speculation to go on. The trial did just exactly what a trial was intended to do. Failure to grieve is not a crime. Failure to abstain from partying is not a crime. Failure to dress like a right wing conservative is not a crime (it should be, IMO, but it’s not). Backne is not a crime. Tattoos are NOT a crime. She was found guilty of the ONLY crime that the prosecution PROVED beyond and to the exclusion of every reasonable doubt. There was NO ORDER issued by the court at the time of verdict stating that anyone has to LIKE Casey Anthony or agree with the way she conducts her life. But the jury spoke. The freakin’ end.
And the chloroform evidence is the absolute WORST farce of a piece of circumstancial evidence I’ve EVER heard.
The prosecution would have been better served by getting good ol’ Dr. Vass out there with his coat hanger to look for Caylee earlier. As far as I’m concerned, the only thing I bought from Vass’s entire testimony was his coat hanger gig. The rest is legitimately junk science pedalled by an overzealous prosecutor.
MOO.
Not guilty DOES NOT mean innocent!!!
Now that Mason is playing the immaturity angle for C Anthony’s actions, instead of client is FUBAR, can someone explain how massive financial thefts are childlike? If so, how is it that I managed to get through my childhood without stealing from everyone around me? I must be a freak. I didn’t realize that felonious criminality was a stage in growing up or child development.
BTW, Murdoch hired Ollie North’s defense atty.
The Caylee Anthony case started as a STORY and ended as a STORY.
PERIOD…
Casey told a story
The family told a Story
The defense told a story
The prosecutor told a story
Not one person could come up with the most important and one quetion that shall always linger…..THE TRUTH
End of STORY…unfortunately
Sadly, I don’t think this sh*t will ever end, at least not on HLN, which is officially dead to me now.
If the Japan earthquake or Bin Laden slaying occurred next week then this would all be done and forgotten. 6 months from now it will be Casey who?
Frankly, the Zealots need to get off her case. She’s constitutionally innocent. Hard Luck!!!
So where do you get the exclamation points, at the wholesale club, Trader Joe’s or ShopRite with a 3 for one special? You don’t need to waste them all at once, one at a time is sufficient.
Mr. Hornsby,
If she legally changes her name and moves out of state, will that absolve her of any culpability concerning all the civil civil suits filed against Casey Anthony? Will the state be able to still file an investigation cost claim against her regardless of any name change?
I think this was self explanatory. I have some questions how did C.A. describe a real Zenaida Gonzalez?, do apt. complexes in Orlando require a picture with an
application? Was this Z.Gonzalez really harmed ? I have a very common name
have had confusion, I am glad people had reason. It is a shame what happened to Caylee. I just heard this how does the patent on her name work? How can it be monitored?
Casey was shown a picture of the woman and she could not identify her, but on publicly released jail house records, she told her parents that the police did not show her a picture of this Zenaida, leaving the impression upon the public that the police where not doing their job and that this woman could be the questionable nanny. Her parents also relayed that same story to the press. As far as I know apt. complexes might take copies of D.L. pictures but I’m not sure.
Early in the investigation, there was a frenzy just as there is now. People were harrassing several women with the same name Zenaida Gonzalez. The public was amazed that there was actually a real Zenaida Gonzalez connection to the exact Sawgrass apt. This woman was also being harrassed especially after the Sawgrass connection came out and dispite the fact that police where saying they cleared her. Some people were actually assuming that Casey’s story was true and that she was somehow involved.
Casey Anthony herself, at that time, was the one who needed to declare that this woman was not the woman she was lying about, not her lawyers or her parents. This Zenaida woman did not interject herself into this case as many of the other characters have.
Gonzalez is a Troll. She’s a nobody who is looking to make a quick buck through settlement. The whole thing is driven by Morgan & Morgan. Good luck…they deserve nothing
Gonzalez filed suit several years ago. It’s not like they just filed a lawsuit after the verdict like many others are doing. They did not know at that time what the out come of the trial would be at that time. Anyone can file a civil suit now days. It’s her right, just as it’s Casey’s right to counter sue. What ever the outcome is, is what it will be. Then there will probably be appeal anyway.
I don’t think you would speak so poorly of Mrs Gonzalez if you were in her place. Baez blamed everyone else for the death of Caylee and not his client. Casey Anthony has destroyed MANY lives—sorry to hear you weren’t on her list; perhaps, then, you wouldn’t be trashing one of Casey’s victims. Hope Mrs Gonzalez wins her case.
Mrs Gonzalez completed a card with her name, address, etc. And yes, many apartment complexes do take photos of your D.L. and keeps it on file for future references. This isn’t just in FL, but in many other States as well. Casey Anthony saw the card at the Sawgrass Apt and was present, from what I understand, when Ms Gonzalez filled the card out. That’s how CA got the info.
Hi Richard,
Please answer this question for me. Can the State go after Casey Anthony for UNLAWFUL DISPOSAL OF A BODY? TKS.!
it’s done – she got her fair trial – she was acquitted – she’s innocent. The state cannot go after her on any other aspect of the alleged crime.
get over it. Maybe one day you’ll need your fair trial.
No one reallly ‘gets over’ a miscarriage of justice and the reason is if one is ever under circumstances that would require the use of a jury, they may NOT get a fair verdict…besides, Casey Anthony is guilty and SHE knows it. What I hope to hear from her is the admission that she did murder her baby daughter—during one of those high class interviews she and Baez are juicing up for. After all, Casey knows she can never be tried again for the crime, so she may think its okay to fess up. And by the way, Jockey, the declaration of “not guilty” does NOT establish innocence. All the verdict tells you is that the jury did not find enough evidence to convict (they did have enough, but didn’t like the notion of a death penalty coming from their own mouth).
What about the felony charges that the other judge withheld adjudication on? He said he would wait until after the other legal issues (murder trial) were cleared up. Can she be sentenced on the remaining charges now? It would help–sure would like to see her on probation ar least 2 years.
Richard,
In all this crazy, minute by minute drama, that I have viewed since Day 1, there is one thing that I can be sure of and that is YOU putting a smile on my face at the end of each and every one of your commentaries, this one being my favorite. I only hope dat country boy Mason will take you up on your offer – would make yet another good commentary. Thanks for ‘keeping it real’ for all of us! We may not like how it ended but it IS what it IS and I, for one, am glad I don’t have to walk in her shoes…
I watched this trial from beginning to end and found the verdict to be confirmation that this jury did not understand, could not understand, or did not want to understand circumstantial evidence and in addition, decided to deliberate over the possibility that George Anthony murdered his grandchild and/or dumped her in a swamp. I also have no regard for any of the defense attorneys in the case, who spoke with with forked tongues. Their claims about upholding the constitution and dispelling “junk forensics” fell flat when they agreed as a team to use George and Lee Anthony as scapegoats by accusing them of sexually abusing their client in opening statement. The case was about publicity for the defense attorneys primarily interested in their own promotion. I do not think for one minute that any of them believed that Casey Anthony should have been found not guilty of all three murder counts, but now there will be pots of gold under all their rainbows.
Question for you Richard:
Is it an ethical violation for Baez to be negotiating lucrative media deals for Casey since he is not her entertainment attorney? Why would her criminal attorney be doing this? Especially because he stands to significantly benefit financially from these deals, isn’t this a serious conflict of interest?
Your a great attorney but very much a useless blog. Criminal defense attorneys are paid to win bottom line. That’s why great legal minds end up putting cases together and not presenting them.. Baez sold it perfect in the closing he didn’t use the law he sold the person it was sales you think the common juror understands forensics and all the statutes u list in the blog the answer is no !! If people are to stupid to see that he used sales tactics over law they shouldn’t comment or practice the law.
Baez did do a good closing argument, but if you think for a minute that a good criminal defense attorney can get by without knowing the law, well I shudder to think what type of attorney you would pay to win for you. Also, since I get a feeling your jab is at me, be sure to do your homework before you imply certain people don’t try cases (Hint: I’m the only attorney in Florida who lists every case he’s tried.)
My jab wasn’t at you at all . It was for the other people that posted . You know the law I read your other blogs and plus one cannot get through law school and run a practice without great knowledge. Would Baez have been my first choice no but in her situation he was perfect, a man with nothing to lose and everything to gain it was played well I think u know what I mean . Most defense attorneys would have took the plea it made the most sense why risk death.. But I think people forget about the salesmanship involved like the glove don’t fit you must acquit and etc…he sold common people. If a jury was made up of legal professionals like yourself we all know what the outcome would have been .. That’s a big question I always had if you could answer why isn’t a jury made up of retired lawyers and etc that know the law and understand reasonable doubt and etc ?
Earlier today before I found your new analysis I went to your website and saw that you list all of your trials & outcomes! I was very pleasantly surprised to see that. I was amazed at your outcomes. I knew that you were a top notch & very ethical criminal atty but the outcomes were amazing to me & impressive. I had never seen a lawyer’s website that posted those but I just thought that FL atty’s do things differently than they do here in CA. Did not know till I just read your response above that you are the one & only that does this in FL. Good for you, Richard.
I thought lawyers were salesmen/saleswomen-LOL. It’s called presentation, some do it better than others.
I think Mr. Hornsby provides a great public service with his blog site. I have learned more about the legal system from reading case laws and statutes because of Mr. Hornsby’s posts. I would never have been able to find these examples on my own(or it would have taken a really long time), since I’m not a lawyer.
And Tom, who appointed you the governing authority on who should comment (either pro or con) or who should or shouldn’t practice law? I thought this was still a free country.
I guess the same governing authority that appointed you to question my post. It is a free country so I posted my thoughts your correct on that . I read all his blogs he wasn’t biased he pointed out things wrong on both sides. My post was to people who don’t understand presentation and the fact its over. I don’t think verdicts should be questioned that’s all. Mr. Hornsby has beat some hard cases and I would never question his outcomes the cases are over .. And I applaud him for listing his cases he isn’t talking a good game he is producing results for clients.. More attorneys should have to do the same instead of posting there AV rating
You are forgetting how much outside assistance was given to Baez by attorneys who actually know the law.
Good point, Interested. I heard LKB state on CNN that she was texting him questions to ask right in the courtroom and I’m sure that she wasn’t the only one.
Why not take advice from more seasoned attorneys though ? I could care a less about the guy but I don’t think it reflects poorly on someone who understands they are in above there head and ask for help..O.J. Had seven attorneys so does that mean Cochran or Shapiro didn’t know the law ?
Oh please, what a sad analogy/comparison. If both were salesman, Cochran would have been the guy who actually knew features and benefits of a product, inside and out. He’d have been ‘the guy’ developing the marketing strategy. Baez, on the other hand, is the equivalent of the cubicle cold caller who reads from a script, calls you at dinner time, throws in lots of items not actually included in the product, and fumbles if the prospective buyer has a question or obstacle, with the manager always by his side, at the ready, for assistance. The point is, some people need a decent reason to buy something, and others are simply more susceptible to a purchase. Baez got lucky based on the small demographic he worked with (and the dynamic of influence within) the massive amount of assistance he received, the leeway from the gov’t (judge) but also that the opposing sales team was working with a good strong product that had some glaring defective explanations for parts, and that the cost of their product was pricey. So, in essence, those customers threw the baby out with the bath water, without logically evaluating or considering the legitimacy of the totality of the opposing sales pitch. Baez is not a genius. He is a used car salesman who was able to unload a lemon. Even he was surprised at the verdict.
I would call Hornsby, or even a DEAD Johnnie Cochran to defend me, before even considering looking up Baez’s number.
I wouldn’t use anyone u named to defend me if I was paying . Did u forget she wasn’t paying genius she was pro Bono ? Face it the guy won and your a pseudo intellectual if your so good pass your GED go to college and get a degree then apply for law school and post the results so I can be amused. And now you will say you have a degree will apply for law school and shock the world like he did if its so easy..but that is life always someone with small life achievements that-knock someone else’s achievement. Well here is a great analogy for you no one remembers the super bowl play for play and who made mistakes they just remember the champion hence the “winner” how you get there doesn’t matter people only remember winners not your analogies face it. This is what counts in the legal system you only need to hire a attorney better then that state prosecutor and she did so mission accomplished . You don’t need the best just better than what they. And by the way he was shocked at the verdict ?? Well who wasn’t if you weren’t you should have bet it like I did. Vegas odds on not guilty were + 3500
A few things: Hornsby is very smart, why are you even here if you think he is inadequate, that his opinion doesn’t count, or that he wouldn’t be a great defense attorney to hire? Casey Anthony paid Baez over $ 200k, but why quibble with facts, they get in the way, amirite? To The rest of your post: something something something and something else. Let me go put on some shades as I am now blinded by the brilliance; my fake intelligence can not withstand the bright illumination .
Well your post wasn’t about Mr.Hornsby and if he is a great lawyer. You posted your thoughts on Baez being a bad lawyer and a used car salesman. And I pointed out that he won a landmark case. And she paid 200k upfront ?wow never heard that one before. Mr.Hornsby resume and results speak volumes . He is using the blog as a educational tool so the public understands the verdict and due process. Read his other Post on evidence suppressed. This isn’t a blog to degrade a attorney who just won a case go on Facebook for that.
Look, I didn’t initially intend to insult you. I simply felt that you were disparaging both Johnnie and Richard, and expressed far too much reverence for Baez. I have my opinion, as do you. Nothing against Baez personally, but he did not win this case because of individual brilliance and he certainly did not win due to masterful comprehension and use of law. No matter, I’m sick of it, all of the players, their shenanigans, as well as the associated fan clubs. Baez did so many unethical things like orchestrating the sale of Caylee’s photos (in conflict of interest?), so much stumbling and blabbing to the press, amongst many other things, that he does not impress me simply because there was a not guilty verdict. I believe that verdict was arrived at due to various other factors, and yes, a portion of kudos deserves to go to Baez. I just feel the post verdict credit has been blown way out of proportion, especially since everyone witnessed his actions pretrial and during trial. And please, don’t tell me ‘where to go’, unless you would like me to respond in kind, and Facebook won’t be the suggestion. I look forward to Hornsby embarking on new subject matter, I’ll wait patiently.
I hear you I thought the sales of the pics was very low. I wouldn’t hire Baez for a DUI personally lol but I thought he was great for the case it was a train wreck and he added to it . He had everyone confused including the jurors I don’t know if your from Florida but the jurors were selected from the woods basically worked great for him and the old man.. I did like the way Baez closed and I thought he had balls taking it to trial. ..Post come across wrong I don’t think Baez will be teaching law anytime soon or is a great legal mind by a long-shot. I will give him credit for winning and taking advice from seasoned attorneys instead of trying to be a hero ..
Tom Jones, I’m not trying to be a “pseudo intellectual” as you accused Interested of being. But you really have to bone up on some writing rules. You jumble one thought after another, after another, etc. I just won’t read something so disorganized, and you may have something legitimate to say. Your message is getting lost due to your delivery.